I remember seeing a couple of the X-Certs' first gigs. They Dammit by Blink 182. I didn't mind cos the rest of their set was so good. They also, on one occasion, did a 30 second hardcore song which I've not seen em play since. I mind about that. Well Murray, what's your excuse?? NB, there was apoint to this post originally, though I kinda lost sight of it. I'm sure you'll be able to find it in there somewhere...