Exactly, but it's not even about new genre's, it's bads who put their own spin and style on a genre. I already started a thread about this a while ago defending the accusation that metal nowadays is shit. Mainstream metal is faddish and crap, so learn to live with it, and learn to live with that fact that there are good metal bands who are at their peak just now producing classic albums, but they are completely overlooked because metal is not in the same position as it was when Reign in Blood, Master of Puppets or Vulgar Display of Power came out. I'd go fucking crazy sitting around waiting for the next big name metal band to release a new album (let alone a good one). I'm still a huge Metallica fan, but their albums are few and far between now, Tool too, in my opinion Megadeth and Slayer have lost it, Maiden have done the same album now for more than 20 years, Fear Factory, Bodom, Iced Earth, In Flames, whoever else, they all recorded their best stuff AGES ago now, and as much as I will still listen to what they produce now it's hardly a metal scene is it? And yes you can go back to older albums from bands like those, and other bands that aren't even around anymore like Death and Pantera and stuff, but this is really about metal just now. Most of the metal fans I know on here do find other bands they like and listen to them but for some reason when a metal discussion starts it comes back to sodding Devin Townsend, Machinehead, Megadeth or a bunch of the bands shown on Scuzz 10 times a day, and until people get round that and start recognising the good metal bands that are grafting it, doing their own thing and the next generation of the older metal bands we love, then the "metal is crap just now" generalisations will keep coming because it's a genre thats living in the past. Sanctity, Torchbearer, Arsis, Pain, Lux Occulta, Farmakon, Abydos, Novembers Doom, Dark Suns, Gojira, Wolverine, Theory in Practice, Sinners Bleed, Orphaned Land, someone, please, or even the older bands that have fantastic overlooked catalogues of music out there like Porcupine Tree and Edge of Sanity, these are METAL bands, they have small but hardcore fanbases that aren't influenced by what they look like or the fact that one of the members is Corey Taylor or Vinne fucking Paul. Which reminds me "proper" metal scene, please drop the Dimebag's dead issue so you can get on with life.