Finally! P&J gets behing the local music scene...

[Guest Tam o' Shantie]

maybe not outside aberdeen/north east, but why not outside the scene? i didn't realise the p+j was a local music magazine. and you know fine that i'm speaking generally and not just with regards to this thread, so come on, out with it - i want to hear all the unrealistic illusions, that I, as a member of a local band, supposedly have.

[Frosty Jack]

oh my god......you moaning twats

''we are great - we deserve coverage - we are so happening - we are the news- they owe it to us to make us famous and worship our talent !!!''

blah blah fucking blah

snooty and slightly desperate sounding wee letters as barely disguised attempts to suck their backwater media dicks ....oh dear

i think im gonna be sick

again

as if anyone witha brain reads it anyway

its main function is cat litter and tramp's blankets

What I wanted to express when I originally started this thread was just how ridiculous and parochial the Aberdeen local press can be. I never intended that armies of journos should be dispatched to review some Cults bedroom guitar hero and his mates torturing Soundian every night. If thats what anyone is actually saying to Aberdeen Journals, then youre right. But thats not what I was talking about. Surely it would be an advance for them to just occasionally feature an upcoming musical attraction of genuine public interest, rather than some bowling club night out, or even worse, some hobbyist covers band looking for a singer? I once as a favour organised some publicity for a small amateur dramatic production in the Arts Centre. One phone call later I had the biggest picture on the EE front page the next day. Yet something like GoNorth gets not a whisper. I just reckon they need to get a wider perspective.

Obviously it's not a proper newspaper, but it could be just one more avenue for promotion. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

[Guest Tam o' Shantie]

using betamax' logic, flyering and putting up posters to advertise a local gig is also sad and dilusional, under the grounds that nobody reads looks at flyers/posters except scenesters. what people in this thread are trying to say is that actual local music issues of importance deserve some attention such as events like goNorth, things like PAGG getting a national record deal and touring with the wildhearts, hell even coverage of the occasional big gig would be beneficial to local gigs and the local "SCENE" HAHAHA COS THERE IS NONE

[Plato the Greek]

I just don't understand why any band would ever want to be written about in something as unremittingly tawdry as the Press and Journal or the Evening Express. It's just the Ellon Advertiser with a (slightly) wider target audience. The attitude that their co-operation with the local 'alternative music scene' is even desirable, let alone necessary for its continuance and growth, is one I don't relate to.

[Guest Bob]

Right' date=' Ive done my letter now......

To any lazy backwater media hack who accidentally reads this,

Please can you write some nice things about my band. And my friends band. We are great you know, and someday very soon we will be famous household names. You can say you discovered us if you like. Me and Johnny (my friend) are part of a scene. You should write about the scene. Its really great. Johnny comes to see my band and offers us 'constructive critisism'. Then I go to see his band and I too, offer 'constructive critisism'. Secretly though, we both really fucking hate each other. Its all so fantastic and surely just as newsworthy as the one eared sheep that was gang raped in Turrif. You see, if we can read about ourselves, it will really help to inflate our egos and make our mums and girlfriends very proud. We are prepared to offer sexual favours, if you do offer to write something nice in your newspaper about us. After all, we are incapable of making any difference on our own and we would much rather you did it for us! Please help, we are desperate. And Im sure your only reader (Mrs Mackenzie of Tillydrone, aged 92) will enjoy reading about our fantastic third rate grotcore, twatpunk, and crotchmetal.

A huge needy thankyou in advance,

A Pissclubber

Aberdeen[/quote']

Maybe they can cover your pissedoffclub instead.

[betamax]

What I wanted to express when I originally started this thread was just how ridiculous and parochial the Aberdeen local press can be. I never intended that armies of journos should be dispatched to review some Cults bedroom guitar hero and his mates torturing Soundian every night. If thats what anyone is actually saying to Aberdeen Journals' date=' then youre right. But thats not what I was talking about. Surely it would be an advance for them to just occasionally feature an upcoming musical attraction of genuine public interest, rather than some bowling club night out, or even worse, some hobbyist covers band looking for a singer? I once as a favour organised some publicity for a small amateur dramatic production in the Arts Centre. One phone call later I had the biggest picture on the EE front page the next day. Yet something like GoNorth gets not a whisper. I just reckon they need to get a wider perspective.

Obviously it's not a proper newspaper, but it could be just one more avenue for promotion. Nothing wrong with that, is there?[/quote']

i agree that the article about a no doubt dire covers band looking for a singer was utter tardy journalism....one of them must work there for sure

and i suppose a better general entertainments page (not exclusive to the needs of the scenesters) would be nice to see

but the bit of the thread thats just hilarious are the angry kids screaming (and actually petitioning the paper itself) with ''I WANNA BE IN THE NEWSPAPER AS WELL!!!!!!!!!''

tsh!

not very rock n roll

[betamax]

local music issues of importance deserve some attention

thats quite funny

cos none of its 'important' to the public

it might be to you

just like my own musical adventures are to me

but I can accept that 99.9% of normal people are not and will never be interested in what I do musically or otherwise

we are a minority

so for fucks sake get over yourselves - the general public are just NOT interested

[Guest Neubeatz]

Heh.,,, eh Pee in Jay????

Fa reads at???? nae me ony y...............

[psydoll]

I'd beg to differ - I work down at Asda Bridge of Dee and there are loads of 'normal' people outwith the scene that just don't know what to go and see or when/where gigs are actually taking place but have turned up in the past at things that I've raved about in the preceeding weeks. Surely it can't do any harm to have a feature in the paper about your band even if it gets just one more person along who might then take their friends and their friends friends? The more people that know your name the more chance you have of getting recognition through word of mouth non?

Maybe it does make more sense seeing as Real Shocks are a bit more quirky than some stuff in Aberdeen but for a band like Ten Easy Wishes surely there's some chance that the general public who are buying all these singles in a similar vein to 10EW might be interested in seeing a band in this genre that will actually play Aberdeen?

[Guest Bob]

so for fucks sake get over yourselves - the general public are just NOT interested

Yes they are. Get over *yourself* and take your cynical and unconstructive attitude somewhere else. Your contributing nothing other than your own disdain for everyone else and from my point of view it's quite unwelcome.

[framheim]

Yes they are. Get over *yourself* and take your cynical and unconstructive attitude somewhere else. Your contributing nothing other than your own disdain for everyone else and from my point of view it's quite unwelcome.

i agree. all that betamax et all have done is come on here and act all high and fucking mighty and said they don't need the p and j or evening express. well so fucking what? all i want is for them to give people the chance to hear about the gigs that are happening right in front of them and to talk about it a bit. i'm not saying they should immediately turn into the nme for aberdeen. grow the fuck up and don't be so fucking arrogant the lot of you. if the local media got behind the bands, promoters and labels in aberdeen then that would be the first step to actually creating an exciting buzz in aberdeen. it's what's happened to every 'scene' that's exploded. i'm not necessarily saying aberdeen can explode on a national level but jesus we've got to try. what other choice is there? play gigs in aberdeen to our mates all the time and look forward to playing glasgow and dundee so we can play to people we don't know? why the hell should it be the same faces at every bloody gig taht happens in aberdeen? i know it might not work but what harm is there in getting a bit more exposure for everything? none whatsoever, so get off your fucking high horses and do something positive for once. i don't think my band needs attention from the media in aberdeen but it wouldnt' do any harm so i'm all for it.

[ghost]

but the bit of the thread thats just hilarious are the angry kids screaming (and actually petitioning the paper itself) with ''I WANNA BE IN THE NEWSPAPER AS WELL!!!!!!!!!''

I didn't see any evidence of that in this thread. What I saw were quite a few people echoing Frosty's comments about the lack of coverage Aberdeen-based music gets in the paper. I don't see the harm in getting a bit of promotion through them, regardless of what folk's opinions of the PJ / EE are. I think folk here are realistic enough to realise how small-scale the local papers are but surely, as a well known supermarket drums into tv viewers, every little helps?

[lepeep]

I think a few people underestimate the distribution of the PnJ...

or perhaps they don't, and they are vocalising the elitist, snobbery that "we don't need a plebs paper"...

I've had a few occasions when I've been supprised at the breadth of readership, with people coming up to me and commenting stuff to me, I'm not going to tell you the reason for people talking to me because of the PnJ...needless to say, thanks for the props on my clematis (wink wink)

[General Ermintrude]

I think a few people underestimate the distribution of the PnJ...

or perhaps they don't' date=' and they are vocalising the elitist, snobbery that "we don't need a plebs paper"...

[/quote']

I think it's more a case of 'we don't need a condescending pat on the head, which is all that any article would amount to'.

Local music is a minority pursuit, there are probably more young people modifying cars in Aberdeen than playing in bands. No-one is suprised at the lack of a 'squeezing more bhp out of your 1.2 Corsa' in the P&J. It is also a fact that the majority of Aberdonians (ie readers) have little or no interest in small bands. The fact that the worst Oasis tribute band can draw a larger audience in Aberdeen than the cream of the local crop bears this out. People want to see what they've heard on the radio, or seen on the telly. In a utopian society, one of the prime roles of the media would be to confront such issues and educate and inform the masses. This is not a utopian society, if you confront the preconceptions of the masses too much, they will buy someone elses newspaper. In order to sell papers, the P&J has to pretty much go with the flow. If 30% of its' readership care about Robbie Williams and 0.01% care about some local band, what story should they print? There seems to be a certain level of hipocracy operating here. On one hand, people in the club want to strut around feeling all undergroundy and alternative, whilst on the other they feel overlooked by the mainstream media. It doesn't fucking compute. The information culture of the pissclub is totally healthy. This website is a prime example, there's also band-sites and fanzines. Gigs are advertised free on northsound1 . You've never had it so good. Whether the public give a flying fuck or not is outwith your control. What do you expect? "HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!!!!! AUDIENCE IN DRAKES EXCEEDS TOTAL NUMBER OF BAND MEMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"?

It distresses me to see how territorial certain members of this forum get when people lampoon their naivety. It's a pubilc forum, when you post an opinion you should expect to get it questioned. If you throw hissy fits about a joke or two on the internet, how the fuck would you cope with the media coverage you're craving?

The fact is, if a media-type did decide to take an interest in the 'scene', their search would doubtless lead them here, and it wouldn't take more than an hour or two of trawling through the undergraduate drivel that passes as debate here to make them realize that it's just a bunch of stupid wee pricks fucking about.

ithangyou

[betamax]

I'd beg to differ - I work down at Asda Bridge of Dee and there are loads of 'normal' people outwith the scene that just don't know what to go and see or when/where gigs are actually taking place but have turned up in the past at things that I've raved about in the preceeding weeks. Surely it can't do any harm to have a feature in the paper about your band even if it gets just one more person along who might then take their friends and their friends friends? The more people that know your name the more chance you have of getting recognition through word of mouth non?

Maybe it does make more sense seeing as Real Shocks are a bit more quirky than some stuff in Aberdeen but for a band like Ten Easy Wishes surely there's some chance that the general public who are buying all these singles in a similar vein to 10EW might be interested in seeing a band in this genre that will actually play Aberdeen?

agree, it won't do any harm and could I suppose be helpful to the bands who are attempting to cater for the 'smash hits/now thats what I call music' style of music fan.....no problem at all with that.....i think Driveblind are a classic example.......they play safe pop music for the IKEA generation and have used the mainstream media quite well where its been appropriate

but what makes me laugh is this whole idea of supposed 'alternative' bands (not 10ew) writing pompous self important letters to a mainstream local newspaper, actually begging for attention and accusing the newspaper of 'ignoring' them as they are obviously so 'important' .....its just not in my psyche to understand how/why anyone could be so desperate, naive and stupid, if they do indeed consider themselves in any way 'alternative' in attitude or musical output. I would totally understand if they were writing letters to fanzines and specialist underground music publications that might actually be interested in what they do......but the fucking P&J ?!? WTF!!!!!!!

Its just so fucking un rock n roll its un beleivable that its actually going on, and its beyond any logic that I can understand

Why are these actually fuckers in 'alternative' bands? Cos they wanna be in the paper? The amount of vitreol towards the local media for ignoring them would suggest this is vee much the case yes/no?

The underlying tone of some of the posts also smells of a 'scene' that assumes the town, the local media and the public actually owe them a fucking living - its like they have a right to be supported by the local community! - and that to me is a really messed up scene - too many wannabees who relentlessly moan and winge that nobody is handing it to them on a plate. Christ this is the easiest town in the UK to get a gig ....even if you are shit (I should know....)

Its a hard pill to swallow for some bands to the point of them making up various mad accusations about me as a person. Like I give a fuck if a couple of skaterboyz hate everything I say/do. Hooray!!!! Its actually quite funny that its the same couple of pillars of the pissclub everytime. If people wanna get personal, its only because its their last resort cos they know their argument is completely fucked. And its also safe to do so from behind a PC.

This is probably the first thread for a while where the 'scenesters' have show their true colours. I'd managed to forgot about the pissclub was for a while. *chortle* Its back, pissier than ever.

[betamax]

i agree. all that betamax et all have done is come on here and act all high and fucking mighty and said they don't need the p and j or evening express. well so fucking what? all i want is for them to give people the chance to hear about the gigs that are happening right in front of them and to talk about it a bit. i'm not saying they should immediately turn into the nme for aberdeen. grow the fuck up and don't be so fucking arrogant the lot of you. if the local media got behind the bands' date=' promoters and labels in aberdeen then that would be the first step to actually creating an exciting buzz in aberdeen. it's what's happened to every 'scene' that's exploded. i'm not necessarily saying aberdeen can explode on a national level but jesus we've got to try. what other choice is there? play gigs in aberdeen to our mates all the time and look forward to playing glasgow and dundee so we can play to people we don't know? why the hell should it be the same faces at every bloody gig taht happens in aberdeen? i know it might not work but what harm is there in getting a bit more exposure for everything? none whatsoever, so get off your fucking high horses and do something positive for once. i don't think my band needs attention from the media in aberdeen but it wouldnt' do any harm so i'm all for it.[/quote']

yikes!

a telling off from a 'senior scenester'

and 'fucking high horses'

whats all that about???????? (it could be a good film)

same old cheap shitty comment anytime someone dares to say ANYTHING against the 'scene'

thats why its so shit

insularness

WE ALL MUST THINK THE SAME

repeat this kids

WE ALL MUST THINK THE SAME

THE SCENE MUST BE OBEYED

KILL YOUR MOTHER

etc

the only way we ever have a >CREDIBLE UNDERGROUND SCENE< is when we when reality finally sinks in (look up 'underground' in the dictionary if you dont understand)

[betamax]

I think it's more a case of 'we don't need a condescending pat on the head' date=' which is all that any article would amount to'.

Local music is a minority pursuit, there are probably more young people modifying cars in Aberdeen than playing in bands.

On one hand, people in the club want to strut around feeling all undergroundy and alternative, whilst on the other they feel overlooked by the mainstream media. It doesn't fucking compute.

You've never had it so good. Whether the public give a flying fuck or not is outwith your control. What do you expect? "HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!!!!! AUDIENCE IN DRAKES EXCEEDS TOTAL NUMBER OF BAND MEMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"?

It distresses me to see how territorial certain members of this forum get when people lampoon their naivety. It's a pubilc forum, when you post an opinion you should expect to get it questioned. If you throw hissy fits about a joke or two on the internet, how the fuck would you cope with the media coverage you're craving?

ithangyou[/quote']

fucking hell.....thats what I would have said if I was more articulate

exept substituting the word 'distresses' with 'amuses'

i too look forward to the first very public and scathing reveiw in the P&J of Johnny Cliche and the Fake Punks....sometimes you get what you ask for....knoworramean?

[betamax]

I didn't see any evidence of that in this thread. What I saw were quite a few people echoing Frosty's comments about the lack of coverage Aberdeen-based music gets in the paper. I don't see the harm in getting a bit of promotion through them' date=' regardless of what folk's opinions of the PJ / EE are. I think folk here are realistic enough to realise how small-scale the local papers are but surely, as a well known supermarket drums into tv viewers, every little helps?[/quote']

its in the letters they have proudly put on display in a wonderful display of 'scenster' outrage and unity!

im gonna vomit if I keep reading this shit

[lepeep]

perhaps people should write their own press releases more often then..(they'd even get that wrong, the PnJ, that is)..

I can't see the harm in getting more exposure to any thing a local band is doing, after all, who's to say it WON'T help ? (help what ? becoming famous ? how does that work ? ,...ah, lots of people have to be into you, to be faumous....how could that happen ?...I know, get your face in the local papers heaps, then, things might START from there...)

But hold on that's "un rock and roll" (?!).

ho ho, I pissed myself. un rock and roll...

sheesh

[betamax]

perhaps people should write their own press releases more often then..(they'd even get that wrong' date=' the PnJ, that is)..

I can't see the harm in getting more exposure to any thing a local band is doing, after all, who's to say it WON'T help ? (help what ? becoming famous ? how does that work ? ,...ah, lots of people have to be into you, to be faumous....how could that happen ?...I know, get your face in the local papers heaps, then, things might START from there...)

But hold on that's "un rock and roll" (?!).

ho ho, I pissed myself. un rock and roll...

sheesh[/quote']

I wonder if Elvis wrote pleeding letters to the the Memphis P&J ?

*speed reads Elvis Biogs*

Erm, nope.

[lepeep]

ha ha , you are good...

too rock n roll for me, I better step down...

I'd give yourself 10 rock points for mentioning elvis there...

hold on...collecting rock points ain't very rock and roll...he he

pS, on a serious note, I don't think it's a case of "pleading to get in the paper", it's just a want for a more active roll in the local paper to help / promote the local musicians...

you never know, it might (and it's all supposition, but note, some people are a bit more positive in attitude than others) get the band some where!

who knows where these things get to, who might see them ?!...

don't discount it JUST BECAUSE its local, sure, discount it because the reporting is usually so inacurate it's laughable!

I bet the PnJ will jet in their Y's to get a story about and aberdeen band that "makes it" (the needles ?)...so why not try to build something positive to start with, then they can accurately report "we helped them get there"...

no harm done, everyone's a winner!

but you seem to think that that's "not allowed" ('un rock n roll'), what ARE the forms of advertisement are bands allowed to use to get themselves somewhere ? answer us that , and we'll all shut up.

peep

one more edit...

BIGGER FAN BASE = MORE WORD OF MOUTH = MORE CHANCE OF WORD SPREADDING = A SLOT ON JOOLZ HOLLAND...hey hey ! (ho ho!)

[betamax]

ha ha ' date=' you are good...

BIGGER FAN BASE = MORE WORD OF MOUTH = MORE CHANCE OF WORD SPREADDING = A SLOT ON JOOLZ HOLLAND...hey hey ! (ho ho!)[/quote']

see thats exactly the type of delusional fantasy that makes no sense

these fuckers struggle for 'alt' credibility among their peers

and they battle away to be more 'alternative', more 'punk' more 'motherfuckin rawk' more 'anything-core' than each other

when all they really want is to cuddle up to a prick like Jools Holland and be on the Telly.....thats why they are in a band it seems

can only I see the hypocracy?

Applications for Big Brother 2005 start soon you fame seeking twats

[Rob Karloff]

Well, any promo is good promo. The way I see it, if it catches the attention of one person and they think "Hmmm, might go along to that", then it's been worth it. Thus far, the EE has treated us well enough, bar using a photo of an old-lineup. They did the following last year, after I emailed them to let them know about our local Damned and Misfits support slots :

What is in the article isn't *exactly* what I said and or how I said it on the phone, but the jist is there and he didn't write anything that was purely untrue. Maybe the article did nothing to further attendance at either gig, but it did no harm at all. I know that we have a very keen and loyal 15-20 year old fanbase who come to our shows and spend their hard-earned money on our merchendise, and I'd imagine that most of those would have a cursory glance at least through their parent's EE (looking for the TV guide, maybe) and hopefully notice the feature on us. Maybe not, but as a band we lost nothing in having the article, and I don't doubt that most of the readership thought "weird looking people and not my choice of music". But, at least they looked and considered us even for a second! We don't expect to attract mainstream attention from such local exposure... Who would?!

So, I will be getting in touch with them again around our support of the Misfits in Ireland next month, and the subsequent mini-album launch in August as part of the Summer of Fat at Fat Hippy Records. Hopefully together they will warrant another feature, and it might help us sell some CDs and fill the Lemon Tree a little more, and also might further the reputation of Fat Hippy Records and their efforts towards locally originated music.

[betamax]

ha ha ' date=' you are good...

but you seem to think that that's "not allowed" ('un rock n roll'), what ARE the forms of advertisement are bands allowed to use to get themselves somewhere ? answer us that , and we'll all shut up.

[/quote']

thought Id better answer seeing as Ive been ordered to by the scenepolice

probably at a guess.....

Promoters

Fanzines

Music Publications

CDs/Records/Downloads

Radio Stuff

Gigs

Internet Stuff

you might as well include Gardeners Weekly as its about as relevent to alternative music as the P&J is

but anyway, good luck in getting all the exposure you want from the P&J....but dont surprised when they write a load of cringingly inaccurate, meaningless and possibly even non-complimentary shite about your bands

rock un roll

[lepeep]

ha ha , scene police, good one...well, at lest we have a credible list we can all stick to now, no more useless wastes of time trying to find places to generate interest, here was me going to try and book a half page in GW too !

"soundgarden play rock fastival"...now that would be worth putting into gardeners weekly. (supported by daisy chainsaw, the lillies, supergrass, the strawberries, peaches, maple (he he).)

Hey, I didn't say that the PnJ was accurate and correct...BUt I can think of a few people that came to see maple after reading about us in jim gellatleys' old slot (oo-er).