Bigsby Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 To me, Shed Seven were more derivative of Ocean Colour Scene and 90s era Weller than Oasis. But there's no doubt they were part of that whole Ben Sherman wearing, TFI Friday playing, encouraged neds to start playing the guitar because Wonderwall was easy to play-ing Britpop scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french_disko Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I've reconsidered my personal britpop list and would like to add Manic Street Preachers and (controversially) radiohead. did I say supergrass? I can't be arsed looking.... I think that's it - there's nothing more from that era that I have in my collection. it's interesting that most of the bands (with the exception of Pulp, who had been around for about 15 years anyway - and I suppose Jarvis is still at it) are still on the go and haven't split/reformed like the second tier bands such as Dodgy, Kula Shaker and Shed 7 have (maybe Supergrass were ahead of their time when they called their CD "We're in it for the money").i'm struggling to think of any more bands from that time... was it that forgettable? I find the debate about shed 7 / oasis sounding different because one is a stones rip off and the other a beatles rip off a bit laughable, to be honest - let's face it, none of the britpop bands were exactly drawing heavily from any other sources anyway were they? Unless I missed the Kraftwerk influenced album by Marion, that is, or Sleeper's appropriation of Public Enemy's Hank Shocklee & The Bomb Squad's produced LPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 To say that the two bands sound nothing alike at all is something I actually find quite incredulous.Don't get me wrong i'll concede that they are akin to each other in certain elements of their music but you wouldn't put on a Shed Seven album and go "That sounds like Oasis" and vice-versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest idol_wild Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I find the debate about shed 7 / oasis sounding different because one is a stones rip off and the other a beatles rip off a bit laughableMy personal opinion has always been that Oasis drew more from The Rolling Stones than they ever did The Beatles. And T-Rex. So there. Actually I never quite got the Beatles connection - apart from the haircuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest idol_wild Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Don't get me wrong i'll concede that they are akin to each other in certain elements of their music but you wouldn't put on a Shed Seven album and go "That sounds like Oasis" and vice-versa.We'll come to an agreement there then. I'm not trying to stress that they are identical - merely quite similar. Not just with the overall 'sound' but also the way they crafted their songs.But my argument never was that they were identical. In fact, I only started arguing that they sounded similar when a couple of people suggested they sounded nothing alike. :] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Other notable Britpop bands as far as i'm concerned:St EtienneThe AuteursElasticaThe BluetonesCastThe Boo Radleys (of course they defected to Britpop really from a more shoe-gazey sound)GeneSpaceMenswe@rEchobellyNorthern UproarSaladThese Animal MenBritpop was a great era of revival for British music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steven Dedalus Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this, but These Animal Men were never Britpop!They were knocking about from about 1990, and were part of that ridiculous "New wave of new wave" thing, alongside SMASH and someone else.And if memory serves, they were dead and buried by about '96 or '97 anyway.And they were appalling, but that's neither here nor there.Sorry, I'm just waiting for my hair to dry, and couldn't resist it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I can't believe I've read all six pages of this. I'm disappointed in myself, and also in everyone who contributed to making this thread so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this, but These Animal Men were never Britpop!They were knocking about from about 1990, and were part of that ridiculous "New wave of new wave" thing, alongside SMASH and someone else.And if memory serves, they were dead and buried by about '96 or '97 anyway.And they were appalling, but that's neither here nor there.Sorry, I'm just waiting for my hair to dry, and couldn't resist it.Their last EP was very Britpop, though their first and second albums are probably more akin to the "New Wave of New Wave" but most of the bands associated with that were Bripop-esque anyway.Most of the big Britpop bands stands started as the early 1990s as well.The other band you're thinking of isn't Mantaray is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Amazon.co.uk: The Last Party: Britpop, Blair and the Demise of English Rock: Books: John Harris is a good book about the Britpop era for anyone who is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I'm guessing it's Pop Will Eat Itself.I doubt it. They weren't "New Wave of New Wave". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCrisis Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Other notable Britpop bands as far as i'm concerned:St EtienneThe AuteursElasticaThe BluetonesCastThe Boo Radleys (of course they defected to Britpop really from a more shoe-gazey sound)GeneSpaceMenswe@rEchobellyNorthern UproarSaladThese Animal MenBritpop was a great era of revival for British music.I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this, but These Animal Men were never Britpop! And neither can I!Although Alkaline did say "as far as I'm concerned," I'd like to chuck in my tuppence worth and say that I also don't consider St Etienne, The Auteurs, The Bluetones, and Cast as Britpop because, if memory serves me well, they all had releases prior to Britpop becoming a nomenclature.Opinion = Clitoris: Every cunt has one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french_disko Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 They were knocking about from about 1990, and were part of that ridiculous "New wave of new wave" thing, alongside SMASH and someone else.For some mad reason, I went to see S*M*A*S*H at Cafe Drummonds in 1994. the only other NWONW band I can think of were called Compulsion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCrisis Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 the only other NWONW band I can think of were called Compulsion.Now they were good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french_disko Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 They got lumped in with that lot in their later years. Anyway, "NWONW" is a meaningless NME term, it's not an identifiable form of music. Just like electroclash, new rave and "emo".Anyone remember the short lived Melody Maker invented scene called ROMO? bands such as..... er..... um......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 And neither can I!Although Alkaline did say "as far as I'm concerned," I'd like to chuck in my tuppence worth and say that I also don't consider St Etienne, The Auteurs, The Bluetones, and Cast as Britpop because, if memory serves me well, they all had releases prior to Britpop becoming a nomenclature.Opinion = Clitoris: Every cunt has oneHmm, Cast's "All Change" came out at the start of Britpop really. St Etienne definitely had one album out before Britpop started but "So Tough" and "Tiger Bay" have elements of Britpop in them. The Bluetones were part of the second wave of Britpop. and i would say that "New Wave" and "No I'm a Cowboy" by The Auteurs were both very Britpoppy and came out at the start of the Britpop movement too.First Britpop release that i remember is "Popscene" by Blur. That was in 1992. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steven Dedalus Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I'm guessing it's Pop Will Eat Itself.Nah, they were grebo!Now there was a genre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCrisis Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Hmm, Cast's "All Change" came out at the start of Britpop really. St Etienne definitely had one album out before Britpop started but "So Tough" and "Tiger Bay" have elements of Britpop in them. The Bluetones were part of the second wave of Britpop. and i would say that "New Wave" and "No I'm a Cowboy" by The Auteurs were both very Britpoppy and came out at the start of the Britpop movement too.First Britpop release that i remember is "Popscene" by Blur. That was in 1992.Ah but my recollection of Britpop was when I first heard it being used as a genre was in the mid 90s. My pedantry would be to call that 1995 onwards. However Wikipedia proves me a little bit out in my reckoning...Britpop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsby Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Cast were definitely Britpop, no question. Some others that I would say were Britpop, even if only because they were championed by Chris Evans:CatatoniaAshMansunSpaceRepublicaEchobellyThe Boo RadleysPersonally, as someone who was 17/18/19 while all this was going on in the mid 90s, I thought it was a greart time for music, but then I was used to hearing all these bands in places around town at the time while out having a good time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steven Dedalus Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Anyone remember the short lived Melody Maker invented scene called ROMO? bands such as..... er..... um......?Orlando!Fucking rubbish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 MansunPersonally, as someone who was 17/18/19 while all this was going on in the mid 90s, I thought it was a greart time for music, but then I was used to hearing all these bands in places around town at the time while out having a good time.I do not know how i forgot them!! I love Mansun. It was the same for me, though i was 2 years younger 15/16/17 and despite my proclivity for heavy metal, grunge and death metal i reveled in Britpop at the time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen B Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I do not know how i forgot them!! I love Mansun. It was the same for me, though i was 2 years younger 15/16/17 and despite my proclivity for heavy metal, grunge and death metal i reveled in Britpop at the time too.Attack of the Grey Lantern came out in 1997 didn't it? Can we called that Post-Britpop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Attack of the Grey Lantern came out in 1997 didn't it? Can we called that Post-Britpop?Nah, they were second wave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french_disko Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Orlando!Fucking rubbish...Romo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"Dex Dexter, Hollywood, Plastic Fantastic, Viva and Orlando" fuck me, bring back National Service, I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sross90 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Wow this thread live on!Why dont we round it all off and close it down with a few simple words.No matter who people think are great, theres always gonna be more people that think there pish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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