Frosty Jack Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Did anyone fall silent at 11am today? Anyone doing anything tomorrow for Remembrance Sunday?I wonder how much it actually means to the youth of today - is it a meaningful occasion, or just one of those funny old traditions? Is it still important for people to wear poppies? Should we 'never forget', or is it time to move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 I was silent at 11am today I didn't even realise it was rememberance Sunday the morn although now you mention it I notice Lineker and pals are wearing poppies. If they had a rock concert instead of old boys in blazers and pipe bands etc I may pay more attention. I think within a generation it will fade away as the last survivors of the war kick the bucket and there's nobody left who actually knew anyone who fought in the war. Good on them though. Legends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogofish Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 I don't think it is a bad idea to consider the issue of war/wars & the suffering of those involved.Poppies are a different matter however & few in my family have ever worn one - Mainly because past members who fought in all the major battles of the Great War & other conflicts since & suffered greatly from physical & psycological wounds, whilst dealing with the aftermath of the lost generations of other friends family & comrades. Were utterly against anything that perpetuated the reputation of Butcher Haig & his ilk. However, this in no way affected their rememberance nor their involvement with activities to help the old comrades etc. Nor did they cast any aspersions on those who chose to wear one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onlynik Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Was puposely silent at 11 am and have been wearing a poppy all week, also gave money to teh poppy appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Was silent at 11am, in practice for today's remembrance parade and service at King's. Would have observed it anyway even if I hadn't been at the rehearsal.It gets my goat when people try and say poppy day is no longer relavent because WW1 happened 90 years ago, we're not just remembering the dead of the World Wars, but every serviceman who has fallen since, whether it was in the Falklands through to those still dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.PS. If anyone wants a laugh, the Uni's tri-service parade will be marching through Kings sometime after 10 this morning... with yours truly in the Naval detachment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam_b Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 I think what needs to be pushed for is the wider circulation of the white poppies. I would've worn one but couldn't find them anywhere!Were utterly against anything that perpetuated the reputation of Butcher Haig & his ilk. Agreed. I don't think that a few red poppies make up for what happened or what was allowed to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Jack Posted November 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Agreed. I don't think that a few red poppies make up for what happened or what was allowed to happen.What's the objection to red poppies? Is it just their association with Haig's name? I don't think I've heard that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewarden Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 What's the objection to red poppies? Is it just their association with Haig's name? I don't think I've heard that before.I think it is because of the association.My dad was mentioning how some veterans dont wont to be associated with Haig,dont know why though...perhaps some one can shed some light on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam_b Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 What's the objection to red poppies? Is it just their association with Haig's name? I don't think I've heard that before.Well yes, it has to do with a name objection. But also to do with the fact that there is no condemnation of the wars which have taken the lives of so many soldiers. A white poppy symbolises rememberance and a committance to end all wars.http://www.ppu.org.uk/poppy/white_index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam_b Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 My dad was mentioning how some veterans dont wont to be associated with Haig,dont know why though...perhaps some one can shed some light on this?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Haig%2C_1st_Earl_Haig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Well yes, it has to do with a name objection. But also to do with the fact that there is no condemnation of the wars which have taken the lives of so many soldiers. A white poppy symbolises rememberance and a committance to end all wars.http://www.ppu.org.uk/poppy/white_index.htmlSo you would've committed to end all wars, even ones that would have threatened this country directly? So in other words, you would commit to letting someone invade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam_b Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 So you would've committed to end all wars, even ones that would have threatened this country directly? So in other words, you would commit to letting someone invade?Nice try, smartarse. If we're all committed to ending all wars surely there wouldn't be any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Nice try, smartarse. If we're all committed to ending all wars surely there wouldn't be any?Indeed, it's not rocket science, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Nice try, smartarse. If we're all committed to ending all wars surely there wouldn't be any?So what happens when someone who's committed to wars gets control of a country that sees that nice non-warmongering country as ripe for invading? Sure, it's a great idea, everyone being committed to not fighting each other, but what's the odds of that happening? It would be lunacy to commit to that before everyone else does, and no-one else is going to commit to it first, are they?Why not simply campaign for the country to be neutral and not to get involved in anything? I'd happily support something like that, but to not commit to fighting wars if push comes to shove seems rather...ridiculous.Come on Sam, you really need to join the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MKII Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 So what happens when someone who's committed to wars gets control of a country that sees that nice non-warmongering country as ripe for invading? Sure, it's a great idea, everyone being committed to not fighting each other, but what's the odds of that happening? It would be lunacy to commit to that before everyone else does, and no-one else is going to commit to it first, are they?Why not simply campaign for the country to be neutral and not to get involved in anything? I'd happily support something like that, but to not commit to fighting wars if push comes to shove seems rather...ridiculous.Come on Sam, you really need to join the real world.I'm with you on this one... o_O I suppose we could bore invaders to death with lots of talk about the anarchist movement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onlynik Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 So what happens when someone who's committed to wars gets control of a country that sees that nice non-warmongering country as ripe for invading? Sure, it's a great idea, everyone being committed to not fighting each other, but what's the odds of that happening? It would be lunacy to commit to that before everyone else does, and no-one else is going to commit to it first, are they?Why not simply campaign for the country to be neutral and not to get involved in anything? I'd happily support something like that, but to not commit to fighting wars if push comes to shove seems rather...ridiculous.Come on Sam, you really need to join the real world.Yes thats right be neutral, just like the Swiss were in WWII, oh wait a minute......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Yes thats right be neutral, just like the Swiss were in WWII, oh wait a minute.........The Irish were too and didn't suffer much in the way of trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 But the working of the whole anarchist way of life would depend on everyone in the world simultaniously embracing the same political beliefs.....like thats going to happen!!!I believe that the horror of war and in particular the 1st and 2nd world wars and the apalling loss of life on all sides both military and civilian should be remembered world wide for ever and ever..... and to try and attempt to make any political point off the back of it is just wrong.....I agree war is wrong....but sadly sometimes inevitable, lets keep the political chest beating for a different occasion.G... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Agreed. I don't think that a few red poppies make up for what happened or what was allowed to happen.But it isnt meant to..... "lest we forget"There is no secret aggenda here....its just to remind people...nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 If we're all committed to ending all wars surely there wouldn't be any?Can we start off by defining who exactly "we" are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam_b Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 So what happens when someone who's committed to wars gets control of a country that sees that nice non-warmongering country as ripe for invading? Sure, it's a great idea, everyone being committed to not fighting each other, but what's the odds of that happening? It would be lunacy to commit to that before everyone else does, and no-one else is going to commit to it first, are they?So why hasn't Costa Rica been invaded by now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 But it isnt meant to..... "lest we forget"There is no secret aggenda here....its just to remind people...nothing more.Precisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirth Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Was silent at 11am, in practice for today's remembrance parade and service at King's. Would have observed it anyway even if I hadn't been at the rehearsal.It gets my goat when people try and say poppy day is no longer relavent because WW1 happened 90 years ago, we're not just remembering the dead of the World Wars, but every serviceman who has fallen since, whether it was in the Falklands through to those still dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.PS. If anyone wants a laugh, the Uni's tri-service parade will be marching through Kings sometime after 10 this morning... with yours truly in the Naval detachment...Totally agree, I think it's more relevant now than ever with all the recent conflict. I did a lot of work on both WWI and WWII in school so I always donate to the poppy appeal and observe the minutes silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MDP Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 i wore a poppy. mainly because a sweet old lady came to my door with a collection box, and i felt sorry for her out doing her bit for charity in the pouring rain, i put it on my jacket and totally forgot it was there till i saw this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Haig%2C_1st_Earl_HaigGot the job done at the end of the day. Shame that as many people lost their lives, glad people still take time out to remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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