Genevieve signed??

[betamax]

At the risk of being boastful' date=' our postal overheads are fairly steep too.

It's a hobby, however every little helps to keep things ticking over.......[/quote']

my God some humility!

a hobby it may be but its cheaper and cooler than Golf or Football

[Scorge]

but its cheaper and cooler than Golf or Football

Not when we play live though, our bar tab is quite a sore one..............

[delboy]

if money's so unimportant in a band betamax then how come when i was sacked by your band one of the (many some justified granted) reasons i was fired from your band was that gig at the moorings when we were paid a rather handsome fee of 250 quid - the support bands were paid 50 quid each and i took 50 quid for helping to put the gig together (yes to partly fund me alcohol problem and partly to put food on the table but i was really struggling finacially at the time) and the band walked away with a rather handsome 100 quid for a 45 minute set?

i'll just add that i did pay that 50 quid back even though betamax himself wouldnt take it, bass man nick did.

[TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH]

Best payment ever.

Drugs and womenses is better payment I'd say...

[futureboy]

Im glad we disagree' date=' you sound like me when I was also 14 and a half. I grew up eventually. If I send you a Thomas and Freinds annual you might understand it?

im only against making money as one of the [b']main motives....im sure Ive said that bit already yus? theres pound signs in the eyes of many a shit band and its quite ugly

PS. Ive accidentally made loads of money from music, and still do from time to time, but its not why I do it.

Calling me 14 and half is funny given the name calling and changing of mind that you seem to be doing!

Stiil didn't answer my questions so I am assuming they are too close to the bone.

Delboys post suggests to me that you may be full of shit or a wind up merchant. So tell me/us if you have made loads of money from music why are you a bitter and twisted old (assumption) fart? Your band shit or something?

[Jim Stax]

Im glad we disagree' date=' you sound like me when I was also 14 and a half. I grew up eventually. If I send you a Thomas and Freinds annual you might understand it?

im only against making money as one of the [b']main motives....im sure Ive said that bit already yus? theres pound signs in the eyes of many a shit band and its quite ugly

PS. Ive accidentally made loads of money from music, and still do from time to time, but its not why I do it.

How does one "accidently make loads of money from music"?

[betamax]

if money's so unimportant in a band betamax then how come when i was sacked by your band one of the (many some justified granted) reasons i was fired from your band was that gig at the moorings when we were paid a rather handsome fee of 250 quid - the support bands were paid 50 quid each and i took 50 quid for helping to put the gig together (yes to partly fund me alcohol problem and partly to put food on the table but i was really struggling finacially at the time) and the band walked away with a rather handsome 100 quid for a 45 minute set?

i'll just add that i did pay that 50 quid back even though betamax himself wouldnt take it' date=' bass man nick did.[/quote']

nick is a whore, im not responsible for him

ps its not ''my band'' - you cant own a band.

[delboy]

maybe not but you were the one who came on here complaining about it thus flaming down your arguement about not caring about money.

[HeinzHines]

I care about money....if we didnt get paid we wouldnt be able to play, if we didnt sell our album for money then we wouldnt be able to record.....

[betamax]

maybe not but you were the one who came on here complaining about it thus flaming down your arguement about not caring about money.

my critisism only applies to musicians who have cash high on their agendas for being a musician

plus

those who get caught up in the whole money thing once they get a bit and it goes to their head

Im also allowed to have my own ideology that music comes from a hobby should be free music

I dont think Ive actually critised Geneveeve as a band either.

So why the numerous hard ons?

[Jim Stax]

my critisism only applies to musicians who have cash high on their agendas for being a musician

plus

those who get caught up in the whole money thing once they get a bit and it goes to their head

Im also allowed to have my own ideology that music comes from a hobby should be free music

I dont think Ive actually critised Geneveeve as a band either.

So why the numerous hard ons?

Probably becuase you never really said any of that in your first few posts...

I'm not too sure what you mean when you say 'hobby music'.

J

[jester1470]

Fucks sake' date=' it was almost 3 years ago... let it go.

It wasn't the only reason the were asked to leave either so don't act as if you're the victim in all this.[/quote']

erm I dont think Del's trying to come across as anything, he admitted there were good reasons he was asked to leave, he's just commenting that Betamax used money as one of the excuses and then says money doesnt matter to him, he's just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Cheers

Stuart

[delboy]

Fucks sake' date=' it was almost 3 years ago... let it go.

It wasn't the only reason the were asked to leave either so don't act as if you're the victim in all this.[/quote']

read posts properly before having a pop please, thank you. bloody attention seekers.

[delboy]

All this old ground is very *ahem* interesting to go over once again' date=' but it's detracting from the main point of the thread. Can we keep the discussion to comments on the news that Genevieve have a new release out soon, please?[/quote']

yes quite right i really cannot be bothered getting into another pointless arguement with mr and mrs attention seeker....

[delboy]

there's no personal problem here, my original point was valid to the thread/discussion and as per usual a certain someone cannot wait to have a pop that is way way way off the mark and nothing to do with the thread/discussion at all.

[betamax]

erm I dont think Del's trying to come across as anything' date=' he admitted there were good reasons he was asked to leave, he's just commenting that Betamax used money as one of the excuses and then says money doesnt matter to him, he's just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Cheers

Stuart[/quote']

two very important things you should do Mr Phil Collins before making stupid assumptions like that above

1/ keep out of other peoples business

2/ get your facts right

seriously you should if you gonna come out with what looks like gossip based on a drunken conversation with Del or one of his pals

[betamax]

Probably becuase you never really said any of that in your first few posts...

I'm not too sure what you mean when you say 'hobby music'.

J

*back on topic*

I did

Point 1

I think 3.50 is expensive for a local band cd that has only incurred the cost of recording' date=' mastering and production of cds and labels. Its only what I think, plenty of other think its a good deal so cool, they sell loads and make some cash.

[b']Point 2

And as a basic philosophy I think music should be free.

I dont think Ive changed my point has changed at all.

Hobby music is where the music is not your day job yes? its the same as playing sunday league football. You dream of being a professional footballer one day but in reality you still rely on your job at B&Q to pay the rent. The football is your hobby. I thought this definition was completely obvious (although hard to accept for some it seems).

I mean the 'hypothetic you'' of course. Im not accusing anyone here of working at B&Q!

[GraemeC]

*back on topic*

I did

Point 1

I think 3.50 is expensive for a local band cd that has only incurred the cost of recording' date=' mastering and production of cds and labels. Its only what I think, plenty of other think its a good deal so cool, they sell loads and make some cash.

[b']Point 2

And as a basic philosophy I think music should be free.

I dont think Ive changed my point has changed at all.

Hobby music is where the music is not your day job yes? its the same as playing sunday league football. You dream of being a professional footballer one day but in reality you still rely on your job at B&Q to pay the rent. The football is your hobby. I thought this definition was completely obvious (although hard to accept for some it seems).

I mean the 'hypothetic you'' of course. Im not accusing anyone here of working at B&Q!

OK, so when does it stop being just a hobby? at what point can a band who are popular justify accepting payment for their work? who decides when the time is right? do they have to ask you?

Producing a studio quality cd and packaging it properly and pressing lets say 300 would cost 1000 if you shop about and haggle, thats the 3.50 asking price all but gone.....If you are a band who are popular enough to sell 300 cd to your local fans then you should price them so they pay for themselves with a bit left over to go towards the next recording.

I dont see anything particularly evil and corporate about that.....

Leave the kids with a dream man, I bet you had one once.

[jester1470]

two very important things you should do Mr Phil Collins before making stupid assumptions like that above

1/ keep out of other peoples business

2/ get your facts right

seriously you should if you gonna come out with what looks like gossip based on a drunken conversation with Del or one of his pals

Mr Phil Collins, is that supposed to be an insult ? That has to be one of your poorest ones yet 1/10

I dont have to listen to drunken gossip, I just read the post Del made earlier where he stated you used money as one of the reasons for sacking him, and I read your post where you said money didnt matter. It's hardly rocket science is it ? Sharon decided to have a go at Del and I was pointing out it was nothing to do with him leaving the band, it was to do with your comment about money, simple as that.

Anyway arguing with you's no fun, you change the arguement if you start to lose, so back to the topic, 3.50 is a good price for half an albums worth of songs so fairplay to Genevieve and I hope it does well.

Cheers

Stuart

[Jim Stax]

*back on topic*

I did

Point 1

I think 3.50 is expensive for a local band cd that has only incurred the cost of recording' date=' mastering and production of cds and labels. Its only what I think, plenty of other think its a good deal so cool, they sell loads and make some cash.

[b']Point 2

And as a basic philosophy I think music should be free.

I dont think Ive changed my point has changed at all.

Hobby music is where the music is not your day job yes? its the same as playing sunday league football. You dream of being a professional footballer one day but in reality you still rely on your job at B&Q to pay the rent. The football is your hobby. I thought this definition was completely obvious (although hard to accept for some it seems).

I mean the 'hypothetic you'' of course. Im not accusing anyone here of working at B&Q!

"accusing' anyone of working at B&Q"?! (snob?)

I would add more flame to the argument here but to be honest I think it would be waste of skin off the end of my finger. You have a fairly unique point of view Mr B and fair enough... Nowt wrong with that but there is nowt wrong with the pursuit of a career in the music industry, an industry that you vigorously put down and also condone by the use of the term "professional involvement". The music industry is full of exploitation and no one will deny that. It's a predominantly shit and fickle industry. The more bands can do things for themselves and learn the ins and outs the better. Use and abuse is what I say. Its a known fact that the said industry is running a little scared at the moment due to the internet and bands, in some way, taking control. So, roll on the day where the dissemination and return of money for your chosen creative lifestyle is fair(er) and (more) equal. As Idealsitic and unrealistic as that sounds, maybe, its more attainable now than ever!

More bands should produce and release their own material no? And not for free because that would just be plain stoooopid!

More typing here than I had intended but the caffeine kicked in.

[Guest Firefly]

What's all the fuss about?

So Betamax has an opinion, who cares? He clearly just enjoys the hobby aspect of playing with the Videos and fair play to him, its great when you earn a descent wage outside of music and where recording costs can be covered by whatever you happen to have lying about in your money clip

But for people less fortunate i guess charging for something you've spent a lot of time investing both effort and your own money in is hardly a crime.

I happen to think that 3.50 is not a ridiculous price for a local bands EP. Its hardly going to break the bank the sound quality seems reasonably good even on the compressed myspace format on their page.

[Spoonie]

man, this thread is ace!

at the end of the day, people should read these and remember that they're opinions. don't let anyone tell you how to behave as far as your band goes. if betamax doesn't want to buy a CD, that's fine and isn't an indication that you shouldn't be selling them, but if no-one at all is willing to pay the price, then you rethink your strategy.

with festr we recorded with money earned from gigging and sold the CDs to pay for the covers and blank CDs, with a little left towards the next lot of recording. with quixote we are all a little older and have a little more spare cash so we give out CDs and gig to cover the cost of these. if people say don't sell your CDs and you want to, go ahead and do it. if people say don't do pay to play gigs and you can see a real advantage for your band in doing it, go ahead. if you want to play in battle of the bands competitions till your blue in the face, do that too. fact of the matter is, everything you do will be criticised by someone. do what makes you happy as a band and what gives you some perceived benefit - be that intrinsically from making music and giving it away or extrinsic from selling it and using that money however you need.

also, in situations such as this, it can be very handy to tell people to 'eat a bowl of dicks' or 'take yourself to the all you can eat dick buffet.' these are phrases which will help you reach your goals!

/x

[betamax]

OK' date=' so when does it stop being just a hobby? at what point can a band who are popular justify accepting payment for their work? who decides when the time is right? do they have to ask you?

Producing a studio quality cd and packaging it properly and pressing lets say 300 would cost 1000 if you shop about and haggle, thats the 3.50 asking price all but gone.....If you are a band who are popular enough to sell 300 cd to your local fans then you should price them so they pay for themselves with a bit left over to go towards the next recording.

I dont see anything particularly evil and corporate about that.....

Leave the kids with a dream man, I bet you had one once.[/quote']

I dont reacall saying recouping your demo costs was evil or corporate!!!! You wish!!!!

Not against wee kids dreaming of being pop stars either, in fact its good TV. X Factor etc.

but occasional reality checks are needed when the egos get too inflated yus? It would be irresponsible of those with a bit of experience not to point out some of the dangers and easy mistakes that lie in wait for the wide eyed wannabees wouldnt it?

[betamax]

What's all the fuss about?

So Betamax has an opinion' date=' who cares? He clearly just enjoys the hobby aspect of playing with the Videos and fair play to him, its great when you earn a descent wage outside of music and where recording costs can be covered by whatever you happen to have lying about in your money clip

But for people less fortunate i guess charging for something you've spent a lot of time investing both effort and your own money in is hardly a crime.

I happen to think that 3.50 is not a ridiculous price for a local bands EP. Its hardly going to break the bank the sound quality seems reasonably good even on the compressed myspace format on their page.[/quote']

I agree that no one should get in a radge about my opinions. They are generally out of synch with almost everyone on these massage boreds. That dosent bother me and it shouldnt bother anyone else. But surely Im allowed an opinion that differs? Otherwise it just becomes a mutual wank fest.

I still think 3.50 is expensive though. Backed up by the fact that the last batch of Kill Baby Kill songs went public on a CD that cost 0.00. and contained 8 songs that took us ages to write/record. It just seems odd to charge people at gigs for them when we give them away to industry people....hey now theres some hypocracy!

And its nothing to do with our day jobs. We are all skint. But if you are sensible, it shouldnt actually cost that much to be in a band (after initial cost of guitars etc). Its about the same as other hobbies like playing sunday leage football or a golfer....no its much cheaper that being a golfer (i would imagine *shudder*). The way I generally see it is, money spent/lost on gigging etc more or less equates to money Id spend out on the piss.....but while Im working with the band Im obviously not incurring any socialising costs. So it balances out. More or less.

[betamax]

"accusing' anyone of working at B&Q"?! (snob?)

have you ever been accused of taking things too seriously or not getting a joke?