Boss tuner pedals?

[Guest lime ruined my life]

"a complicated pedal like the tu-2 which uses smd resistors and caps' date=' and requires specialist factory/machinery is not surprisingly over 70 retail"

And worth every penny. [/quote']

i'm not disputing that, well done on picking up on the point i was making. Similarly the beringher is worth every penny, considering it's such a fantastic price.

I am totally confused as to where all the bias towards BOSS pedals comes from , there are alternatives out there, and in the majority of cases BOSS are not THE best.

To make a point about the remark made earlier by soundian regarding beringher stealing BOSS' design, the sd-1 by BOSS was actually conceived and designed by ibanez. Stolen and mildly modified by BOSS.

[David]

It's not too uncommon to find this sort of thing' date=' pcb designs are sold or factories are taken over by other companies, i'd seriously doubt it was just photocopied. I know someone who got an email from dunlop for selling a single mxr micro-amp clone telling them to stop or be taken to court. I doubt if a large company like beringher would get away with it without a lawsuit.[/quote']

The mycloneamp? I have forgotten the name, but a chap from the Netherlands who posts on harmony central did them. That was to do with him copying the MXR logo (with HWA in the logo instead of MXR one) and the design of the microamp - same colours and designs

Behringer did have some problems with the new pedals a while ago before they were released, as origonally they were much closer to boss in design, which was changed...

David

[David]

I connect My Fender PT-10 pedal tuner to the tuner send from my volume pedal so it's not in the chain. It still makes a background noise when it's switched on.

EB volume pedals tuner out?

in that case, don't bother with the tuner out, and get yourself an a/b box (can be made easily and pretty cheaply yourself if you know which end of a soldering iron to hold) the way that the EB is designed, whatever you plug into the tuner out loads down and could add noise to the main signal, an a/b box removes it completely when not in use

David

[David]

On the topic of the behringer' date=' i think its more than good value for money, you can't get better than 15 pounds for a working floor tuner, and you could rehouse it if you were feeling ambitious or if it broke.

all switches are hardware, it's just some are momentary and some are latch. I'm assuming you mean latch switches (they click). I think that if you get a "non clicking one" it'd have to be active, as it would have to use logic switching. I think an active a/b box would also have buffering (see my article )

Latch switches are like people, you get good ones and bad ones. Generally the cheaper the device the cheaper the switch. Big muff switches often fail, even the expensive ones. The thing is all the factories which used to make good quality switches have been running for 20-30 years. The production lines have started to deteriorate and quality control is almost non-exsistent as all the big pedal manufacturers use their own style of switches (the big panel style switches of boss). The only really reliable switches i know of are the big blue style tawainese 3pdt swictches. (these'l run for years and years without failing)

[img']http://www.arielfx.com/small_pics/3PDT%20Blue.jpg

Carling switches are sometimes ok and sometimes not. Zachery Vex mentioned on a forum that he bought a massive batch of them and over half were faulty straight from the supplier.

Z.vex now make their own (quality controlled) switches, which they will sell you if you order a batch over 1000, and if you ask nicely. Pete cornish uses another style of switch which are large but sturdy.

In the end, if the switch breaks, go to maplin and buy another one for around 1, its a simple soldering fix, and it'l keep it going another 6 months at least.

p.s if you're even more practical you can fix the switch by taking it apart and gluing the small plastic leg which has cracked back on. (the cause of broken switches 9 times out of 10)

To my knowledge ZVex use the 'standard' blue 3pdt like the picture you posted, thats whats in my Fuzz Factory at least... I have only ever seen the one 3pdt switch out there, used by most of the boutique guys and diy'er and so on

Cornish uses different switches as he uses buffered bypass not true bypass, so only needs a small switch to trigger an electronic switch, not the 3pdt as you would need to get true bypass and an led.

If you want the blue switches, check out www.monkeyfx.co.uk and www.wah-wah.co.uk for two uk sites, I have bought from both and they are both very helpful, both definately recommended

David

[Guest lime ruined my life]

To my knowledge ZVex use the 'standard' blue 3pdt like the picture you posted' date=' thats whats in my Fuzz Factory at least... I have only ever seen the one 3pdt switch out there, used by most of the boutique guys and diy'er and so on

Cornish uses different switches as he uses buffered bypass not true bypass, so only needs a small switch to trigger an electronic switch

David[/quote']

Ok, as far as i know zvex, he's gone through a few different switches over the years, i certainly agree that he has used the blue taiwanese style at some point, and now makes his own (the blue taiwanese style are 3pdt, for 2pdt he uses carlings for a while, which failed), he told me himself on a forum, and also said if i wanted to buy over a thousand he;d put in an order, but i'm not exactly after a thousand switches. He's also quite sceptical regarding true bypass, he wrote a whole massive ranting post about it once.

cornish does a different effects board every project as he only builds custom boards for clients, the pete cornish page shows the making of his latest board for dave gilmour, and he uses massive black switches as space isn't a concern inside his massive boards.

i dont know what cornish puts in his individual pedals, but since he won't take any orders for them: who cares?

[Guest lime ruined my life]

The mycloneamp? I have forgotten the name' date=' but a chap from the Netherlands who posts on harmony central did them. That was to do with him copying the MXR logo (with HWA in the logo instead of MXR one) and the design of the microamp - same colours and designs

Behringer did have some problems with the new pedals a while ago before they were released, as origonally they were much closer to boss in design, which was changed...

David[/quote']

sounds like the same story, although i didnt see it on harmony central.

[spbear5]

i'm not disputing that' date=' well done on picking up on the point i was making. Similarly the beringher is worth every penny, considering it's such a fantastic price.[/quote']

I'd fully agree with that, I thought there'd been a typo when I first saw the price of the Beringher!! It was hard not to be biased against it because of the unbelievable cheapness, and I now hang my head at myself for being ignorantly judgemental. :O

I remember looking at pedals many,many years ago when I started playing,and the prices weren't that different to today's. (Although back when I were't lad, blah blah, money were worth more then blah blah, young folks these days........I'll get me flat cap off before it welds itself to my head) We're really quite lucky that due to the progress of technology they haven't been subject to the same inflationary pressures as most other things in life, imagine 300 for a basic chorus pedal?!

[Guest lime ruined my life]

i wouldnt be surprised if 300 chorus pedals exsist. i don't really like chorus effects.

[Mac Atom]

Ouch, the Behringer NR100 noise suppresor pedal is BALLS!!!!! I picked one up and it's absolutely, completely useless. It adds a minging great fuzz to your tone no matter what level you have it set to and it does bugger all to reduce any noise, also the decay sounds soooooooo artificial YUCK YUCK YUCK YUCK YUCK

The Behringer compressor/sustainer is ace though, can't recommend it highly enough

[Chi 666]

Ouch' date=' the Behringer NR100 noise suppresor pedal is BALLS!!!!! I picked one up and it's absolutely, completely useless. It adds a minging great fuzz to your tone no matter what level you have it set to and it does bugger all to reduce any noise, also the decay sounds soooooooo artificial YUCK YUCK YUCK YUCK YUCK

The Behringer compressor/sustainer is ace though, can't recommend it highly enough [/quote']

am getting to tuner and was thinking of getting the noise suppressor, i take it you wont recomend it? i think i will get the compressor instead like.

also its a tuner, not a stomp box, theres no reason why you would stomp on it. fuck paying the 60/70 for the boss one. if it breaks.......so whatm there disposible!