think estrella winning it was a cert, they always seem to win (they`ll probs win the whole thing )i remember seeing them against the wildcards and the x-certs at Cicargo rock a few years ago it was for a slot at free at the dee and they won. av seen them win a few comps and never thought they deserved it must be something about them that people at things like this like. the band velvet audio have played this BOTB thing twice but never saw them this time, saw them last time, they were amazing think there all only 14 and the blew me away.