they will always have a place in my heart, one of those bands that I was into pretty early on and had seen them more times than I care to remember, I kinda fell away at the bob departure time and never really got back onto the saddle, their stuff up to that point is timeless though. One of my biggest regrets was not buying queen of the troubled teens on 7" for about 5 when I had the chance. I did have chandelier and satan polaroid 7"s which I sold to huntedbyafreak during a moment of skintness remember seeing em in glow303 but the little discourage lemon tree show is, still to this day, one of the best gigs I ever went to. it was fucking electric and they were fucking relentless! IN THE WEST WE WHITEWASHED ALL OF OUR CHILDREN.... im sure I still have the red captain tshirt kicking around somewhere....