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Touch, my militant little hedgemonkey. What makes me 'defensive' when I think about you and your priggish coterie: Is my perception that German National Socialism has become the prism through which you (plural) evaluate the words, actions and, fuck me, even the songs of other people. Is my deduction that you (plural) have so much of your ego vested in being 'outside' society that to cooperate in any way, shape or form to remodel said society to better fit the views you nominally espouse would be totally counterintuitive to you, not least because it would entail your facing any kind of reality check, hence your snidey, nitpickey, minimod attitudes. Is in the way you (plural) depict yourselves as an oppressed minority, whilst acting like an insular, navel-gazing elite. Is about the corruption of 'punk' in less than a decade from a creative free-for-all to a bunch of bourgeouis hippies, all in black, singing another bloody song about cruise missiles, and it's about you (plural) harking back to that as a golden age of positivism and constructivism. So, yes, I am indeed 'on the defensive', if by 'on' you mean 'piss', and if by 'the' you mean 'up a', and if by 'defensive' you mean 'rope, you wankstain'. Peace

Of course you think it's a good analogy- you made it and you know best... A better analogy would be Gangsta rap- which is pretty uncluttered with ideology, rife with mysogeny and senseless violence. And it would have to be a gansta rapper who was parodying gansta rap, but in a way you didn't get. By your definition all gansta rappers are just the same as Nazi's, even the comedy ones. Which is laughable. The 'Nazi' analogy is just baseless, reactionary tripe. If you believe that it's ok to liken a group of people to Nazi's (who believe in National Socialism) just because they sing about wifebeating, then you obviously have little understanding of what a Nazi is. Where did you study politics? Nursery school? It is most certainly not 'logical' to assume that if someone smacks their spouse around, they also believe in the superiority of the 'Aryan' race, the mass extermination of Jews, Slavs, Poles, Russians, Homosexuals, cripples and people born with all manner of physical/ mental disabilities. What about a Marxist who goes through a bout of depression, takes to drink, then has a few episodes of taking it out on the missus. Does that Marxist suddenly become a Nazi? When your argument is based on stacked up misconceptions and uninformed knee-jerk reactions it doesn't make it 'logical' (except, of course, to you). You also forget that your logic is not necessarily the same as everyone elses. We all have different brains, personalities and ways of perceiving. The old 'logic' chestnut is a crock of shit. Just ask any teacher/ lecturer. Now who's being defensive? READ MY FUCKING POST PROPERLY OR IGNORE IT ENTIRELY. What I actually typed was 'IN EFFECT' that is what you're claiming- not that you actually claimed it. Your refusal to acknowledge that you are drawing dangerous and irresponsible comparisons makes me think that what you are doing is quite deliberate. I would like to draw an analogy here- between jockeys and Waffen SS Stormtroopers- after all, they both wear hats! And, last time I looked, my posts have remained 'on-topic' since this thread started- this thread was about Wifebeater the band. If you want to talk about something else then start a new thread. Don't slyly attempt to shut people up by claiming they are off topic. If you have no intention of personally attacking these guys, then why are you likening them to Nazi's? And you're not debating anything, mate. You're just telling us 'The World According to Rob', putting words into peoples mouths and getting defensive when you're on the back foot.

I have been going around trying out some of the steak on offer in Aberdeen MONKEY HOUSE Last weekend i tried out the monkey hoose. I had never been there before and was suprised how posh it looked. we had to wait to be seated very posh. the menu's were'nt made of that weird plastic or laminated, proper paper i tell ye, service was quick and we all ordered the steak. The angle of the giant mirror behind the bar gave the place a weird perspective and must have been a cunt to get in and installed. the steak arrived about 12 minutes, the right time for you to finish your pint. We got our knife replaced with stirder steak ones and was left to tuck in 12 oz rib eye was juicy and tender and had a beautiful flavor, no sauce was provided and the chips tasted like burger king's, the onion ring(s) were good apart from only having 2. the leafy salad was excessive and i could'nt be arsed wi it 12 for the beauty monkey house 8/10 REVOLUTION! MMMMMMMMMM lakeland beef i think its says. 8 oz of cow for 12 notes, nice atmosphere during the day and you can go out for a smoke while your waiting. the seating is a bit awkward as your always within earshot of anyone else which makes it hard for telling racist jokes and such. the steak is offered with a choice of sauces. i picked peppercorn. the chips big and fat and fried to perfection shame there was only about 6 of them and also grilled vine tomatos yumm lovley steak but they need more chips 7 and a half / 10 CHICAGO ROCK! tis shite dont go 2/10 (only because we found flasshing skull shaped green specs) more to follow!!!!!!

I'm not missing his point- I'd have to be a real bananna to do that, as he's posted it ad nauseum. What I'm trying to point out is that by drawing this analogy in particular, there is a risk that other knee-jerk, reactionary, foil-hat mentallists could attack members of the band for being Nazi's simply because Rob refuses to acknowledge that his Nazi analogy is, at best, not very good and at worst- totally retarded. I repeat: Nazism is a defined ideology, wifebeating is a social problem. Liken it to Gansta Rap- it's a far better analogy as it has more than just one similarity. If music/ bands causing social problems are to be looked on as no different from Nazis, then Anarcho-punk bands have been preaching law-breaking since the very start, therefore they are causing social problems by encouraging impressionable youngsters to break the law. And that's not all- what about the glorification of alcohol and drug abuse which is ingrained in music. Are Oasis like Nazi's because they sang 'Cigarettes and Alcohol'. Or Conflict comparable to Nazi's because of their often violent message? I don't think so. I haven't said it's not an analogy, I said it was a bad analogy- two different things. I tried to send up his analogy humorously with my jockeys-Stormtroopers comment (because I don't want to turn this into a bitch fest). That's also an analogy, but a blatantly shit one. Much like Robs. As much of his argument is based on this weird assumption (and he on keeps making it) I think it is prudent to point out that it being a 'good' analogy is not a fact- merely his opinion. If he really isn't trying to attack the (x)band personally, then he won't mind using an entirely more accurate analogy- such as Gansta Rap.

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i think you lot are on your high horse about bugger all why on earth do you care about this so much??

well stop reading then, im not trying to be a knob but if you cant be assed with the thread just ignore it, at least there is some discussing going on here for a change.

Yeah, they'd just add a cock and a fanny to it.

Can a moderator please explain why this thread is STILL going. All points being made are just going round in fucking circles and I'm sure everyone on here is sick of reading the same arguement over and over and over again. Can we at least have a new thread opened in the "politics and current affairs" forum? This has moved on from being just about Wifebeater and is now about so much more. And it's tiresome reading. Wifebeater are dead, and so is my wife, from a slap to the head

This was at the top of the page on my browser, and the first thing I thought was "Christ, we're really going back to basics here!"

My thoughts are with Jade's children. They made breakfast in bed for mother's day and it's gone cold.

...and twice on Sundays

Looks like something for me to do in April * Just noticed the picture above and thought i'd better mention i was refering to the gig at Capt Toms o_O

The Bare Naked Ladies should be locked up for being such a huge disappointment. Just fat blokes.

Fixed that for ya