Hog Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Does anyone know or recommend the best way to triggers bass drums? What is needed to do this and if possible how much it would cost?Cheers Hog:cheers: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Originally posted by Hog:Does anyone know or recommend the best way to triggers bass drums? What is needed to do this and if possible how much it would cost?Cheers Hog:cheers: Since you have a computer with internet access right in front of you I don't know why you're not doing your own research. Anyway, a drum trigge,r and a sound module with the required sound ,plus the appropriate cables to hook it up to the PA, are all you need. Happy surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted May 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Im lazy...cheers Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Caz Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Cheating bastards !!!Midi triggers HA is it for one or two bass drums ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted May 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Its for two bass drums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted May 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostaph Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Originally posted by Dechristianise:Cheating bastards !!!Midi triggers HA is it for one or two bass drums ? MMMM sounds like a Nick Barker favorite, it is kinda cheating, but you still have to be able to play that speed to start with!Just means you aint a consistent drummer at that speed! Which is hard anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Caz Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 true.I would like to try it out tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by bostaph:MMMM sounds like a Nick Barker favorite, it is kinda cheating, but you still have to be able to play that speed to start with!Just means you aint a consistent drummer at that speed! Which is hard anyway! Or it means they want a really clicky sound, which is very hard to do without specialist microphones. Or they want to change sounds between tracks. Piss easy to do with MIDI, practically impossible conventionally. Most engineers working for bands will compress the kick if they know the drummer is inconsistent so you'd get pretty much the same effect dynamics-wise anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Caz Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 what so you say that you can completely change the kick sound with pecific mics ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by Dechristianise:what so you say that you can completely change the kick sound with pecific mics ? No, what I'm saying is it's very hard to get a good 'click' from a lot of bass drum mics without massacaring the tone. Desk EQ's aren't really up to such radical changes in the initial sound. You introduce unwanted harmoinics and it's normally harsh sounding. So the solution is to use a microphone (e.g. SM 91) which is designed to give more in the high frequency range so you've got more scope to change it without making it sound like a wasp repeatedly battering itself against a plastic tub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Caz Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Ah yeah ok fair enough What kind of equipment would i need to get started using midi triggers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 I already told Hog, look at the start of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spellchecker Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 if you are looking for a clicky sound, there are other ways you can help yourself to get there. you can buy hard plastic things that you can stick on your kick drum skin (the thing that usually acts as a protector for the skin from the beater). our drummer had one, i can't remember if he still has it... it was a double sized one for two beaters anyway. in combination with his hard faced beaters (those white looking tama ones) it made a nice clicky sound, if you like nice clicky sounds that is. how much of that sound came through when mic'ed up to a desk though, i couldn't answer.iain, do you remember the thing i'm talking about? scott usually has it taped on with masking tape i think. i can't think of what they are called or how better to describe them.also, if buying midi triggers, make sure either the pads or the system you hook them up to have a way to change the threshold and sensitivity of the pads, and that you know how to use them. this is important so that your triggers don't start playing when ever you hit your floor toms or anything else that makes a big fuck off vibration. we had problems recently with a roland trigger pad that kept triggering itself when any toms or cymbals were hit, though if you are using some sort of skin mounted/contact pad i don't suppose that sort of problem would be as much of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Caz Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by spellchecker:if you are looking for a clicky sound, there are other ways you can help yourself to get there. you can buy hard plastic things that you can stick on your kick drum skin (the thing that usually acts as a protector for the skin from the beater). our drummer had one, i can't remember if he still has it... it was a double sized one for two beaters anyway. in combination with his hard faced beaters (those white looking tama ones) it made a nice clicky sound, if you like nice clicky sounds that is. how much of that sound came through when mic'ed up to a desk though, i couldn't answer.iain, do you remember the thing i'm talking about? scott usually has it taped on with masking tape i think. i can't think of what they are called or how better to describe them.also, if buying midi triggers, make sure either the pads or the system you hook them up to have a way to change the threshold and sensitivity of the pads, and that you know how to use them. this is important so that your triggers don't start playing when ever you hit your floor toms or anything else that makes a big fuck off vibration. we had problems recently with a roland trigger pad that kept triggering itself when any toms or cymbals were hit, though if you are using some sort of skin mounted/contact pad i don't suppose that sort of problem would be as much of an issue. yeah i used to use the double pads but had trouble wit hthe ducktape to keep them on:dunce: another drum question is there any way i can stop the snare from vibrating when i use the kick pedals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 I know what you're on about spellchecker. I can't remember what they're called either but I suspect it's something cunning like 'click pads'. As for the snare drum, I'm no drum tech but the first place I'd look for the problem would be the tension on the bottom skin and the snare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Caz Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 I will give it abit of twisting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted May 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 So does compression help a lot regarding the drum sound?Cheers for answering guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Originally posted by Hog:So does compression help a lot regarding the drum sound?Cheers for answering guys If you're not bothered about dynamics (which most people aren't when it comes to speed kick work) then medium-heavy compression will even out the inevitable variations in power. Do the same with the snare and group the toms and compress the groups if you want an even level on everything. Careful threshold setting will still allow most of the dynamics through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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