RF Scott

that was kind of the point.... if you'd bothered to read the rest of the thread you'd have understood that. mate.

tre cool is almost as bad, but still better. like i said, best of a bad bunch is still not a good thing

yeah, they are still playing bullshit songs they wrote when they were 14. its them that need to get a grip

observation clearly isn't your thing, stick to the TANbourine.

I don't believe for one second that if you had the opportunity to travel the world, make a very good living, and see thousands upon thousands of people get something out of hearing songs you wrote when you were fourteen, you wouldn't do it, or would 'get a grip'.

You're only really a bad drummer (in a band context) if your playing is proving detrimental to the songs. If you're playing a rudimentary beat but the song works, then you're doing your job (in a band context) ...

I'm sure you could easily fill a small section every month by actively looking for things rather than waiting for people to come to you.

I guess that's a no. It finishes on ebay tonight at 9 if you're interested, and is only at 60-odd quid at the moment, so it's going to go for a chunk less than I'd hoped

Sorry for not replying - have been in Glasgow/Edinburgh/busy so forgot to check back. Bought a synth this week so not sure if I can justify spending that on a pedal right now!

he is found, so stop adding stuff please, this ad is closed, finished, finito...

Hi, did you manage to find the guy you were trying to locate?

It's currently on eBay. There's a thread for it in the Trading Post. Was originally looking for about 140, as that seems to be the going rate on a few Music Classifieds, but I think it'll go for a fair bit less on there. Ends on Sunday, starting price 50. No bids yet, but it's got 11 watchers, so I'm expecting them all to slug it out on Sunday afternoon.

If you or anyone you know is interested in it, then I'd consider taking it down and selling locally at the right price.

What would the right price be? I'm absolutely terrible at bartering.

Obviously apart from Ebay. Just classifieds websites. Wanting to flog a Marshall Shredmaster. I've put it up on here, Gumtree and Harmony Central. Any other good guitar forums, preferably UK based, good for selling gear?

How much are you selling your Shredmaster for?

Hello forum users,

Please help me. I'm looking into buying one violin, a beginner one at that. How much money should I be looking to spend? Can you recommend a particular model? AND it's a 4/4 size I should be looking for, right? I'm an adult sort of.

ALSO, should I look to buy a better bow, or is the one lumped in with beginner packages good enough?

Thank you in advance.

I didn't even know they had an album. I have the split with Holy State and some other EP. Both sound a bit duff.

I'd imagine with those releases that the production was the best that they could afford. Like I said, not heard the album but I'd imagine it doesn't sound bad, or at least sounds how they intend their band to sound.

I've not really heard much Dinosaur Pile-Up, though the band I play in seems to get lumped in with them in a few reviews so maybe I should.

They just need to stop being tight and fork out for a solid recording. All their records sound like 8 track in the practice space efforts.

I've not heard the album, but it's certainly not a question of how much they've spent on it.

Finished 'Berg' by Ann Quin a few days ago, it was incredible.

Hi there,

Here are a couple of records I'm selling on the Internet;

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Will be adding more from this evening!

Yeah no idea how that came to be on the last.fm listing. Looks like a fun show though, will be heading along!

ha ha, it was sitting on my pc all afternoon unfinished so just ended up posting it before i left.

i do realise that you can record off the streaming of audio but it's a hell of a lot easier for average joe to rip a CD.

RF Scott - did you do the Report Item thing through eBay to remove the listings of your promos and they did it quickly? What options did you choose?

I also find it amusing the guy wants to charge 50p more for a used promo!

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can also see on the scanned in cover the small print on the bottom. "For promotional use only, not for resale"

Oh no, I was typing the message too short bit because typing in a quote doesn't contribute to the word count apparently.

I just contacted the sellers directly and asked them politely to take it down. They all did apart from one chump who then got a less polite reply. It came down very soon after that.

Mmm, you can actually, I'm happy enough with 320kb MP3s, but some people like to pretend they can tell the difference and demand lossless stuff like FLAC.

Sorry I should have been clearer - what I mean is that when iTunes started offering downloads, the quality was below that of a CD, whereas these days not only are most (all?) providers offering DRM-free downloads, but in a range of formats - 320kb MP3, FLAC et al - so the argument that paying for downloads is a rip off based on the quality is no longer valid!

Most of the artists I listen to don't sell huge amounts anyway so i don't imagine they spend a fortune on the recording process. Steve Earle's albums for example sell about 200,000 copies every time.

If you're selling 200,000 copies of your album you'll certainly be able to spend five figures on the recording process.

i am amused that you could buy one of my bands CDs on eBay from someone that clearly sells all the samplers they receive, with over 24,000 on sale at the moment!

Yep I've had promos of stuff I've done in the past taken down from eBay.

rather than these samplers why not give journalists secure password protected time limited access to streaming of new albums? surely the technology exists to do this.

Similar practises are becoming more common!

and if you really wanted to catch out the source of a leak why not send out copies of new promo album with tiny noise in there that could uniquely identify the copy number used in the copy. again if you wanted to be that careful you'd be able to drop some in some reference that wouldn't be heard on initial/normal listens to album but could be boosted up and heard clearly if you knew where to listen.

This already happens and has been used to trace those that leak albums! People have lost jobs, and good riddance.

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Only some at the present time, but if music did become a cottage industry they would make music just the same and put it out for free. Yes the quality of the recordings might suffer but I'm a bit an audio philistine and I can't see that mega bucks studio recordings are sufficiently superior to stuff made at home by someone who knows what they're doing to warrant all the extra cost.

You'd need to know what your'e doing, to begin with, and not every artist knows how to go about a successful recording session. Otherwise I'd imagine most would already be doing this for released recordings (as opposed to demos). It also costs money to buy and maintain decent studio equipment!

*With regards to record stores, they're an obsolete business and I can't see that downloaders would miss them.

Well obviously downloaders wouldn't miss them, being that they're downloaders, but a lot of people would and it'd certainly be a negative knock-on effect. They're not an obsolete business, either. Sure some are closing down, but I find that the ones which are were lazy anyway. Rough Trade is a great example, having OPENED a new store in recent years.

*Musicianship is not "completely subjective" (I wouldn't say artistic merit isn't either but I'll leave that), at most it is partially subjective and I would think pretty objective.

I would say that it is, but appreciate that others don't! For example, I think that Vic Chesnutt's guitar playing is a lot better than someone like Slash, but would agree to an extent that Slash is more technically gifted! Guess it just comes down to semantics.

*I don't think the music instrument industry would suffer all that much. Most Les Pauls are probably sold to middle age hobbyists, not rock stars. Fewer instruments would be sold on the basis of rock star endorsements but I can't see that as a bad thing.

Les Pauls, maybe not, but you'd certainly find a dip in the P.A, consumables (drumsticks, leads), and mid range guitars that most bands take out on tour.

I live in Vietnam. Having any kind of luxury goods posted here would entail paying bribes (sorry "taxes") to get hold of them, if one is lucky enough not to have them stolen outright in the first place.

I live in Stonehaven and am convinced that my postman/woman steals the odd record that doesn't arrive, so can sympathise! Surely you could subscribe to a download provider such as emusic, or buy MP3s from Amazon? It's not expensive at all and there can't really be any arguments about fidelity these days (though you said earlier that this doesn't matter so a moot point in this case!)

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I think they're ok, but I'm taken aback at the amount of acclaim they've received.

I guess you've heard the kinda stuff that's informed the album whereas others may not have?

Either way, I think it's an awesome album and I'm disappointed that I was in too bad a mood yesterday to consider going to see them.

As I said before, not entirely sure I care if it becomes a cottage industry. Some of my favourite artists can't afford to tour as it is and don't make their income primarily from their work. So many acts are both mediocre musicians and artists despite it supposedly being their full time job.

When I lived in the UK I didn't download anything, but I only occasionally bought music after I became a student. Where I live now I doubt there are any legitimate copies of anything in the country.

Some of my favourite artists/acts are in the same boat, but a lot aren't too. If it becomes a cottage industry, it's not just a lack of touring, but;

- the threat of pressing plants closing (nowhere to press vinyl, hooray!)

- quality of recording decreasing VASTLY

- recording/practice studios closing

- definitely the nail on the coffin for record stores, and a threat to online music stores too.

- (further) closure of music venues

- bit of a guess this one, but the musical instrument industry would suffer.

Lesser quality goods as a result?

So many aspects of 'music' that people would surely miss when severely limited or eradicated.

It comes down to - if you don't support something, it doesn't continue. Worth noting when considering this that the recorded music industry and live music industry are fairly separate. Downloading a band's output instead of paying for it and then buying a ticket to a gig doesn't mean (in most cases) that you're putting money back into the same place that you've taken out of.

Your point about mediocre musicians is completely subjective, so doesn't really apply.

Where do you live? I'm sure the vast majority of places can be reached by post these days?

A band I know down in these parts is signed to 4AD, and someone from within the label actually uploaded and leaked their debut album before it was released.

SOMEONE FROM THE ACTUAL LABEL.

Flabbergasting.

Don't know anything about that case, but should point out that the people at 4AD/Beggars are some of the nicest/most-caring-about-music people I've encountered, so I'm sure that if that was the case, it was an isolated incident!

Also, small footnote, but I think it's important to make a distinction between those who download and those who actively upload music to the Internet. The latter are the scummiest part of the equation, but I guess that's obvious. Especially with albums ahead of their release date. To take the release and presentation to the public of an artist's work out of their hands because they or their representatives were kind enough to give you an advance copy* which in theory would benefit YOU as well as them, is deplorable.

*all cases of friend's bands/releases I've heard about leaking, bar a few, have been traced to "journalists"

Evidently many people in various parts of the world would be perplexed by a notion that they don't (i.e. the idea of intellectual property). Not necessarily saying they're right but there you go.

Recorded music is now -for most people- worth nothing. Just because it costs a lot to make does not mean the final product has any monetary value. People have access to a free distribution system and the product (recorded music) will still in the first place get made even if there is no prospect of making money directly. Yes the supply is illegal but the relevant laws evidently lack support and thus in a democracy are for better or worse not legitimate (and more importantly, right now at least not enforceable).

Basically, it's a bit of a crossroads right now. Either people's attitudes are going to have to change or new business models are going to have to be sought. Spotify etc have been mentioned here, but the revenue they and other similar avenues generate is miniscule. Either people pay for what they listen to or music becomes a cottage industry, where the quality of recordings will suffer, and the amount of time that artists can devote to touring will be drastically cut for all but the minority of acts.

It's fair to say that the majority of people will say that music is an important part of their life. So let's hope people who don't pay for music reassess the issue of 'worth' before it's too late...

I think a lot of people would be surprised by the actual processes/costs of putting together an album and it's release. Too many misconceptions about bands and record companies as a whole; thinking that bands and labels are 'rich', 'greedy' or 'the man', for example.

I'm also perplexed by this weird inherent right that people think they have to recorded music.

It's an awesome album, the last one, 'Orange You Glad', is great too.

It's not a joke, it's a humourous piece of writing. A piece of writing which was asked by the author to be commented on. What was the feedback meant to be, exactly? Either 'I think it's funny' or 'I don't think it's funny' ?

Presuming that people don't 'get' your work just because they don't like it is pretty lame. I'd also hedge a bet that if the feedback was positive, the replies about people reading too much into it wouldn't have been as forthcoming!