Cloud

I am hosting a charity gig at Cellar 35 on Friday 17th July for a friend who is in the midst of raising money so she can go on a volunteer work trip to Equador at the end of the summer.

Volunteer work trip, ie, holiday?

P.S. Cloud, you started a sentence with a conjunction in your last post. Twice.

I know I did...

But there is no such rule: as far as I'm aware grammarians don't agree on whether or not starting a sentence with a conjunction is "wrong".

Do English grammarians agree on anything? Even books that some teachers regard as being authoritative (Murphy being a great example) are simply written to suit the language.

I disagree that it's ugly: it's perfectly natural (see, I did it again with "but" just up there").

So much of English is natural but wrong though - look at the way that Scots will use phrases like 'my hair needs washed' or 'the cat wants out' - both of those are absolutely natural to my ears too, but they're wrong.

Anyway, even if it's natural, it would be punished by Cambridge examiners. And given that Cambridge exams are the closest thing that English has to a standardised test that's widely accepted - then they do have considerable influence, even if you or I don't agree.

I disagree that it's taught as a rule in schools: I don't remember being taught so and as I pointed out, apparently neither does anyone else here.

Probably because most of them are arguing for the sake of argument. It certainly was taught in my primary and secondary schools, and even in different countries. Or maybe they simply had bad teachers that accepted the use of 'because' to start a sentence.

You all but claimed it was a rule then unsuccessfully sidestepped after showing yourself up as incompetent.

It's as good a rule as you'll get in English grammar - bearing in mind that even accepted authorities disagree on English (oh, the joy of having to explain to someone why Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries aren't exactly the same).

Anyway, bearing in mind the widespread use of 'because' to start a sentence by people that can easily be called chavs, would you or anyone else educated really want to use it?

Do you really teach people to start sentences with because?

Anyone know where has one?

Almost any reprographics facility?

Pretty sure you have that the wrong way round; perhaps Robert Lowth might have thought it was wrong, but no one here bar you seems to agree.

Most people on here aren't responsible for teaching people English either, are they?

I very much doubt most people on here (without resorting to Google) can tell you when and when not to use because - and given that the rule is so arcane, it's simply better to avoid using it to start a sentence.

If you can use it correctly, great - but when it is taught as a rule in English speaking schools, combined with obscure rules as to when it is actually allowed - I'd argue any day that it's simply easier to avoid using it. Given that there's no central authority for English - if it's being taught in schools as 'wrong' and is being taught in the ESL world as something to avoid using (unless you're teaching CPE!) - isn't it really wrong?

Anyway, I stand by my point - it's exceptionally ugly to start a sentence with because.

Which is pretty much like the vast majority of carbonated soft drinks in the UK.

Make that Europe wide, to be honest.

The one nice thing about Poland is being able to get real fruit drinks for cheaper than 'brand' soft drinks.

Yes. Bout 6 years ago or so.

He invited us to a party there...turned up for a laugh, it was immediately obvious that everyone hated him there and yet he was trying to tell us (and everyone at the party) how much weed he sold and how much of a dealer he was. I remeber wondering how long it would be before everyone in those flats would kick the shit out of him for being such a complete nob.

No idea what's happened to him lately actually.

Wirelessly posted (SonyEricssonK770i/R8BC Browser/NetFront/3.3 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

Squawking bastards. Anyone know where i can get an air rifle?

Logie? Tillydrone? Sandilands? Hayton?

is snafu an over 18's venue?

Would be a bit pointless putting these bands in an over-18's venue...

You should be able to get the firmware flashed to a Greek language version, which will inevitably include the ability to use Latin as well as Greek characters.. My phone is flashed to the Polish version (so I could get /?/?/?/?/etc) and yet I'm able to use English as the main phone language, just with support for Polish characters.

The problem with putting you on the ignore user list is that people invariably quote yr posts and berate you for talking shite, thus meaning that I get to see yr drivel anyway.

Using 'yr' is one of the greatest examples around of just how English shouldn't be used.

It amuses me that people keep replying..is it some kind of urge that people have? The urge to show just how manly they are? The overwhelming need to belong?

Roger Kimmit' date=' however, should never be mentioned in any sentence ever. He went to my school, then turned up living in my uni halls a couple years later. He's like a turd nugget that won't flush. I swear I'm gonna go into work one day and he'll be sat next to me.[/quote']

Did you live in the halls near the BP garage?

Not true.

It may not be true in terms of correct grammar, but so many people are taught this way and stick to it that it's becoming wrong, even if it's not wrong in the eyes of grammar freaks and bearded Cambridge/Oxford workers.

Anyway, it's ugly to start a sentence with 'because'.

Because I like calling you an asspiece.

Where did you go to school? You shouldn't start sentences with 'because'.

Was anybody else disappointed when they introduced lemon fanta in Scotland? That was my holiday drink. You knew you were in a foreign country when you could have a lemon fanta. They ruined the magic of it.

It tastes like crap in the UK too, the stuff abroad is more bitter and..well..nice. The UK stuff is just teeth-rotting sweet crap

Cloud, you're an asspiece.

There's an ignore user function. Why don't you use it?

Iv'e never heard that one....did you read that in a magazine or an Oor Willie book??(

Clearly you don't do things to torment old people enough.

It's much easier in Poland, you can just accuse them of collaborating with the Russians...

Pretty much spot on

You still working the doors?

I think the rudiest people i've met in Aberdeen are old pensioners.

Especially the arseholes who use the "we fought in the war" line.

I usually ask "what war?".

Ewan Cameron of Clearer the Sky/Molineux

Hahahaha...great joke

all bouncers are cunts

Are you Roger Kimmett in disguise?

I'm sure all restaurants (especially fast food) charge VAT (which is still tax after all) and of course most junk food is regarded as a luxury food item (confectionary, crisps etc) and Beer is taxed to the max. Surely "fatties" pay for themselves to then?

The law is mental in regards to VAT and food - but I think this is roughly right.

Hot food always has VAT charged on it (as it is supplied as part of catering, which isn't exempt from VAT - though I wonder about hot chickens sold in Asda for instance?).

Cold food is exempt, unless it's either a luxury food or supplied as catering.

Usually the idea is that it's catering if it's supplied for immediate consumption on the premises - but I seem to recall that there's been a lot of legal arguments about just what is exempt and what isn't. Pringles lost a case recently, I think?

I don't understand how anyone could be an accountant

Then i remember i have morals, and eating animals is wrong.

You have morals?

You, the person who had quite the collection of naked pictures of girls found at gigs in Aberdeen?

Morals? pah!

I didn't even realise he did a column. That one is very poor actually. Not very well written at all. Contraversial for the sake of controversy. Pointless.

Just like another Aberdeen based columnist, eh?

I think their was also footage of him being taken to hospital yesterday

Might be wrong

I've seen the footage from a mobile of the ambulance leaving, but there's no footage of him being loaded into the ambulance as far as I know?

You just read in a paper, but won't tell us what the paper was?

What's the point?

Dan - wasn't the body being taken into the chopper from the hospital to elsewhere? I thought the footage from the chopper with the body covered up was of him being taken somewhere for the post mortem...unless I'm wrong?

It'll be interesting to see the charts on Sunday now...