Guest JockeySnogger Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Destined to fail Come on really? Binmen to carry defibulators. How can a snail pace dustcart get anywhere in 4 minutes? a/ I dont really think its going to be very often that the heart attack victim will be even as close as 3 towns away.b/ I don't need a B because the A was so great.Honestly though does anyone actually have faith in this Acid strewn plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Jack Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Don't see the problem meself. The more of these machines available the better, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Bearing in mind it's to apply mainly to rural areas, when a bin cart is perhaps more likely to be in the area than an ambulance. As for "snailpace", I'm sure the vehicles themselves are capable of going fairly fast, they just don't need to/aren't allowed to when in town.Surely anything that can help in the situation is a good idea?I'm for it to be honest, I reckon it's a great plan, it'll mean that a greater area is covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubbs Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 isnt there a matter of hygiene? because we all know that binmen are a bit smelly, either that its just in my area... imagine all that bacteria o_O, maybe theyll start carrying yakult "to top up your good bacteria" to combat it ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Found Power Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 What happens if you have a heart attack when it's not Bin day? Surely you're fucked then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarkJDelaney Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 I think it's a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JockeySnogger Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 yeah it is a good idea but I only as an idea. The practical approach to it is way off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 What? That they get a kit and training? The men who empty dustbins in remote areas of the south Pennines are about to turn into lifesavers, if funding for equipment can be found. Crews on the refuse trucks (42 men, but the job is open to women) sent out by Staffordshire Moorlands district council will carry defibrillators, as well as their black binliners and spares for wheeliebins. Councillors will be asked to approve the scheme later this month, including brief training on the machines which restart heartbeats after an attack. Medical staff describe them as simple to use, and the Staffordshire ambulance service wants them as widely available as fire extinguishers. The council's leader, Ron Locker, said that prompt use of a defibrillator could save lives in isolated uplands hard for ambulances to reach quickly. He said: "We've already got them in offices and one-stop shops, and this is a super idea - providing it is workable and affordable. The beauty here is that the crews are the men who meet our residents on a weekly basis and know the area very well." The deputy leader, Linda Malyon, said: "Every second counts in an emergency. Anything we can do to save a life has to be worthwhile." The trucks are equipped with radio, though exactly how they could be called in an emergency is still to be worked out. Defibrillators have spread rapidly to rural areas since the 1990s, when they were issued to mountain rescue teams in the Lake District and other national parks. Bob Lee, of Staffordshire ambulance service, said that the machines were failsafe. "They have to be good news on any public service vehicle - they increase survival rates by up to 80%. [We have] a policy of encouraging defibrillators anywhere and everywhere. The more there are out there, the more chance there is of people surviving," he said. "They are extremely easy to use, and pictures on them give users a step-by-step guide. We would like to see them being as available as fire extinguishers. They cannot be wrongly used, but they can provide lifesaving first aid." The move follows other countryside initiatives which combine existing services with threatened ones, including post vans doubling as buses, and pubs turning one of their bars into a post office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JockeySnogger Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 shit in that case better strap the postman with one too, after all he'll be in the neighbourhood longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxton's Superb Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 surely this has to be considered a noble gesture at least? could save the odd live. Don't see a problem with it myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therandomblonde Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 I don't see what the problem is either...ok fair enough it probably won't get used that often but it'll be a great help when it is used...both my grandad's have had heart attacks and they were lucky since they live in town but in rural area's it's not as easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 shit in that case better strap the postman with one too' date=' after all he'll be in the neighbourhood longer.[/quote']If he has a vehicle to carry it in then why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest haigyman Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 don't they have them on posts in the street in america? or in phone booths or something?( i could be WAAAY off)i think this sounds like a good idea though, certinaly don't see what harm it can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Aye, given that the machine basically works for itself and detects if a shock is actually needed. In theory it's fool proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Rocker Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 A pretty good idea I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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