pogofish Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 But please, feel free to post any similar links to evidence which backs up your agrguments, assuming of course that it doesn't come from Philip Morris, the Tobbaco Manufacturers Association or the Conservative & Unionist Party. Cant. be. arsed! This is an old one that inevitably goes nowhere. Try trade boards or the sort of companies that specialise in shifting the sort of pathogens/chemical fumes we have to deal with at work. All a fair bit nastier than tobacco smoke & easily dealt with by proper ventilation. BTW. I work with at least one of the proffesorial types named on the links you posted earlier. Also, are you trying to suggest that anti-smoking information comes from/is funded by a truly impartial set of organisations? If so, you are quite mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCrisis Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 The only bad thing about the smoking ban is that the smell of stale smoke previously masked the smell of putrid beer farts, B.O. and general toilet pongs eminating from the bogs. Clubs seem worst affected. By 1 am it fucking stinks in some places.As a smoker I welcomed the smoking ban when it was made law. Mind you I was in Belfast at the time but when I got back to Aberdeen I didn't mind one bit. I'm now approximately 15 better off a week because of it and my hangovers are a lot less worse.It has made smokers more sociable but the one thing I do miss is that cigarette smoke did have a knack of disguising the above mentioned olfactory offenses. After an over indulgent Friday and Saturday I let one go in Drummonds on Sunday afternoon and disgusted not only those who smelled it but myself too. Speak about about a corpse and arse interface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash@TMB Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Oh, smoke machines - bloody throat-burning smoke machines:Good for the lights but gimmie Fag smoke anyday! Flash? In the old days smoke machines used to burn some sort of light oil, which was bad......BUT ours, like all modern smoke machines, uses what is essentially water vaopur mixed with a little alcohol. It's totally harmless, and leaves no residue. It may even be good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim.. Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 In the old days smoke machines used to burn some sort of light oil, which was bad......BUT ours, like all modern smoke machines, uses what is essentially water vaopur mixed with a little alcohol. It's totally harmless, and leaves no residue. It may even be good for you.Unlike the sandlewood incence sticks which I've been smelling these last few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogofish Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 In the old days smoke machines used to burn some sort of light oil, which was bad......BUT ours, like all modern smoke machines, uses what is essentially water vaopur mixed with a little alcohol. It's totally harmless, and leaves no residue. It may even be good for you.Yes, I remember those machines from my band/theatre days. Horrible things. Especially when you are down in a pit, aiming a couple of tubes across the stage! However, I thought most modern machines used water & various glycols, which may not be as toxic as back then but are still not that brilliant substances to have floating around you long-term either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash@TMB Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Yes, I remember those machines from my band/theatre days. Horrible things. Especially when you are down in a pit, aiming a couple of tubes across the stage! However, I thought most modern machines used water & various glycols, which may not be as toxic as back then but are still not that brilliant substances to have floating around you long-term either?Our bottles of hazer fluid state that they are food grade. So certainly no more toxic than Sunny Delight or teflon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Most smoke/hazer fluid is a tri-ethylene glycol, food-grade glycerine and distilled, sterilised water (this is more for the smoke machines health than our own). The only health dangers I'm aware of are when the mixture is over-heated, which is why smoke machines come with temperature sensors to cut the output if it goes above a certain temp, with a safety margin built in of course. Dry throats etc are caused by the fact that glycols/glycerine are hygroscopic (water loving basically) and take the moisture out of your nose/throat/eyes. Any lampie/venue owner should know that the benefit of smoke is from not having enough to see unless you do shine a light through it, as you can see in the photo of the moorings above. Note to bands: If you don't want smoke/haze during your set, just ask. Anyone who doesn't comply with a polite request delivered before your set starts is obviously either a cunt/forgetful/someone you've been nasty to in the past. Not asking and then shouting over the mic "Turn that bloody smoke off" is just rude(see the last bit above) And don't, under any circumstances, do what a band did the other day, which was fiddle with the controls, decide you couldn't work out how to turn off the output, then switch the machine off. Ask! Those controls are not set by a blind chimp, they're where they are for a reason and sometimes take a bit of trial and error to get right. In fact, don't touch anything that your band doesn't own without the express permission of the venue staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash@TMB Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 In fact, don't touch anything that your band doesn't own without the express permission of the venue staff.Apart from the groupies. Feel free to put your grubby paws all over those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Apart from the groupies. Feel free to put your grubby paws all over those. Heh, yeah, I suppose that like house backline bands have implicit permission to do what they want with them, as long as they don't break anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 nowt wrong with the smoking ban a lot of fuss over nothing. and i'm a smoker, no point getting all upset about it. i was fiercly against it until experiencing it for myself. smoke free pubs actually do create a better environment and the craic outside when puffing is usually really good. and us smokers don't smoke nearly as many on a night out on the sauce which creates (well for me anyway) much less of a hangover!!!Seconded 100% Del, I was up in arms about it to start with, but now it's second nature to go outside for a smoke, never even thought about lighting one inside a pub/club even when utterly shitmaracked. You can have a conversation without yelling, get chatting to people you probably normally wouldn't and consequently your pulling prowess increases rapidly, nice one. So, it's generally been for the best and we don't have to put up with non-smokers pissing and moaning about how horrid, nasty and stinky cigarette smoke is, while it was never horrid, nasty and stinky enough to stop them going to the pub in the first place. Selfish we may be, but the bottom line is that if I care so little about the risks to my own health and continue to smoke, why am I expected to give a flying fuck about the health of a non-smoker? I don't. I'm responsible for my own health, nobody else's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 when i was in aberdeen last week i really noticed the difference in both kef and drummonds. thing is tonight i'm out on the st paddys day piss in northern ireland (ban comes in force end of april here) and its probably the last time i'll be able to smoke in a pub in the UK (although am going to glastonbury this year and might sneak a trip in to england before the ban comes in force there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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