Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 They should just legalise heroin and give it away for free to anyone stupid enough to want to try it. Preferably "Joplin strength" heroin....Would solve half the crime/beggar problem!Welcome to Mastermind, our first contestant please.Name?KeilanSpecialist Subject?Ignorant generalisations and misunderstandings of complex social problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeker Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Welcome to Mastermind' date=' our first contestant please.Name?KeilanSpecialist Subject?Ignorant generalisations and misunderstandings of complex social problems[/quote']It WOULD solve a lot of things though. Anyone stupid enough to OD - dawrin theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 you're a touching human being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Rocker Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 What's your thoughts on Tommy Sheridans idea of making Heroin available on the NHS so it can be properly dispensed to addicts to reduce the chances of overdoses and other dangers? I dont know too much about this idea but was just wondering what your thought of this controversial policy Graeme?Totally open to exploitation. If it wasn't consumed on the dispensing pharmasists premises it would be cut up and sold on. Even puked up methadone has a street value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Welcome to Mastermind' date=' our first contestant please.Name?KeilanSpecialist Subject?Ignorant generalisations and misunderstandings of complex social problems[/quote']I'm sure if tomorrow Aberdeen was over run with rabbits running around everywhere you would whole heartedly applaud any extermination programme. But are rabbits actually causing any harm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeker Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 you're a touching human beingnot very touching when i get my home broken into by a drug fuelled beggar looking for his next score. What possible benefit to society is this person ever going to bring. Oh yeah, rehabilitate him. Sorry, no. If your life is that far off of the rails then do everyone a favour and end it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Rocker Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 not very touching when i get my home broken into by a drug fuelled beggar looking for his next score. What possible benefit to society is this person ever going to bring. Oh yeah' date=' rehabilitate him. Sorry, no. If your life is that far off of the rails then do everyone a favour and end it.[/quote']Fucking twit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 keep it civil guys. don't resort to name calling and sarcasm. this thread will die like so many similar threads before it unless you can stick to facts and at least pretend to respect each others opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neubeatz Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 What's your thoughts on Tommy Sheridans idea of making Heroin available on the NHS so it can be properly dispensed to addicts to reduce the chances of overdoses and other dangers? I dont know too much about this idea but was just wondering what your thought of this controversial policy Graeme?I have argued this same point for 20million years Hog' date=' but the reality is that there are too many fuckers with fingers in the blackmarket pie to allow such a logical idea to progress...I include all the lawmakers/judiciary, prison employees, police, counsellers, psychatrists, Tom Farmer in the spectrum of hingers on.Follow the chain from poppy seed to methedone death and there is a glittering trail of profit and misery.Legalise smack for all registered junkies and you remove the profit and break the chain.Too simple, and costly for [b']all those who depend on it for a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 not very touching when i get my home broken into by a drug fuelled beggar looking for his next score. What possible benefit to society is this person ever going to bring. Oh yeah' date=' rehabilitate him. Sorry, no. If your life is that far off of the rails then do everyone a favour and end it.[/quote']Chris, it is very difficult to respect an opinion such as this which is based on ignorance and prejudice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 I'm sure if tomorrow Aberdeen was over run with rabbits running around everywhere you would whole heartedly applaud any extermination programme. But are rabbits actually causing any harm?I suppose it is always possible that a monkey in a test lab somewhere has been allowed to use your account.Seems you also specialise in woefully illogical analogies as well.If you're seriously suggesting that people with addictions are analogous to animals and can be "exterminated" then I suggest you restrict your goose-stepping to the living room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Chris' date=' it is very difficult to respect an opinion such as this which is based on ignorance and prejudice.[/quote']You don't have to agree with someone's opinion or let it go unchallenged, but don't resort to name calling etc. It brings the whole thread down and just starts a chain reaction of mud slinging that ends in a toys out of pram situation and the thread being closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 You don't have to agree with someone's opinion or let it go unchallenged' date=' but don't resort to name calling etc. It brings the whole thread down and just starts a chain reaction of mud slinging that ends in a toys out of pram situation and the thread being closed.[/quote']OK, I don't think calling someone a f'ing this or f'ing that is constructive. Hence why I don't do it.Basically the problem here is that people seem to be blaming addicts for the situation they find themselves in.While in some cases that may be true, I think it is far more reprehensible that there are dealers and drug barons out there peddling these drugs to them.Equally most of these people tend to live in severely deprived areas, the trends cannot be ignored.We have to pull these people out of the rut that they have ended up in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeker Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 OK' date=' I don't think calling someone a f'ing this or f'ing that is constructive. Hence why I don't do it.Basically the problem here is that people seem to be blaming addicts for the situation they find themselves in.While in some cases that may be true, I think it is far more reprehensible that there are dealers and drug barons out there peddling these drugs to them.Equally most of these people tend to live in severely deprived areas, the trends cannot be ignored.We have to pull these people out of the rut that they have ended up in.[/quote']I've got a friend, originally from bedford area who wil be a lawyer in a couple of months. Citing someones origins as a reason for thier situation is equally as prejudice and sterotypical as you are suggesting my arguments are. I agree in helping those who find themselves in less fortunate situations than myself, however I cannot condone any kind of crime related to the drug industry. Yes; by all means crack down on the distribution of narcotics but if you are on the street begging and robbing for your next fix, I would suggest you have very little to offer the community and are blatently beyond help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 I've got a friend' date=' originally from bedford area who wil be a lawyer in a couple of months. Citing someones origins as a reason for thier situation is equally as prejudice and sterotypical as you are suggesting my arguments are. [/quote']Well done to them for doing so well for themselves.It still does not detract from the fact that poverty and deprivation are common social factors with drug addicts.I am not saying everyone in Bedford will be a junkie/become a junkie. That would be stereotypical and prejudiced.Pointing out that areas of deprivation tend to have more problems with drug addiction and crime is not.I agree in helping those who find themselves in less fortunate situations than myself, however I cannot condone any kind of crime related to the drug industry. Yes; by all means crack down on the distribution of narcotics but if you are on the street begging and robbing for your next fix, I would suggest you have very little to offer the community and are blatently beyond help.Then you are a fool. There are plenty of reformed drug addicts who were committing crimes to feed their addictions but have now been rehabilitated. Mainly thanks to the excellent work of agencies such as Drugs Action, and numerous charities who clearly have more hope for humanity than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 TV Tanned...you don't really have a clue if you think poverty/social deprivation leads to heroin abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 For the second time.Not everyone in poverty will be a drug addict or become a drug addict.Perhaps you can explain to me then why the wards with the worst drug problems in Aberdeen include Woodside/Tillydrone, Tullos, Torry, Cummings Park and the wards encapsulating other areas of Northfield. All of these areas have one thing in common. Deprivation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Coming from Tillydrone, the only problems I ever had living there were the amount of junkies making everyones life a misery....and I'm on the few people on this board who even know what the words social deprivation mean. You'll find no track marks on my arm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Coming from Tillydrone' date=' the only problems I ever had living there were the amount of junkies making everyones life a misery....[/quote']So, if poverty is not a factor towards drug addiction, what would you suggest are the factors which DO make people into addicts?Or is every drug addict just scum to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Your tolerance of heroin abuse is exactly what the problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 I never said I tolerated heroin abuse, not once. I fail to see why you have drawn this conclusion.I want to see an end to heroin use, cocaine use, the lot.But I think the fight is better served by trying to help people who fall into drug addiction, rather than declassifying them as human beings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neubeatz Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 So, if poverty is not a factor towards drug addiction, what would you suggest are the factors which DO make people into addicts?Or is every drug addict just scum to you?It's personality that is a greater factor in becoming an addict, not wealth or lack of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeker Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 So' date=' if poverty is not a factor towards drug addiction, what would you suggest are the factors which DO make people into addicts?Or is every drug addict just scum to you?[/quote']Obviously you have never been a victim of a drug induced crime. Oh it wasn't his fault pish, his mum smacked him when he was a kid / came from printfield / is on drugs.Weak people are drug addicts, like i said before - the darwin theroy. Strong people will not do drugs, the weak people will and ultimately will die as a result. There is enough done IMHO to raise awareness of what drugs can do to you, why the hell would you still do them. If you are deprived how can you afford to take drugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeker Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 I never said I tolerated heroin abuse' date=' not once. I fail to see why you have drawn this conclusion.I want to see an end to heroin use, cocaine use, the lot.But I think the fight is better served by trying to help people who fall into drug addiction, rather than declassifying them as human beings.[/quote']Your "holier than thou" approach really gets under my skin. No-one is 'declassifying' anyone. We just believe that if someone is stupid enough to get so far into drugs they end up on the street or turn to crime they do not deserve the same human rights we all enjoy.Neubeatz has it spot on with the personality traits of addicts. It's merely an excuse to go on crime spree's and avoid having to work for their paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 It's personality that is a greater factor in becoming an addict' date=' not wealth or lack of.[/quote']I never said it wasn't.Many people have "addiction" problems, are you suggesting that it is simply coincidence that these addiction problems concentrate themselves in areas with low incomes and high deprivation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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