Guest Savant Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Check out the solo for Strung outs' "Too Close to See" (from twisted by design). Solo comes in at 1.32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Maverik Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 most guitarists who get as far as a record deal can usually play quite a bit, they just choose not too most of the time... This has always confused me a little actually, why bother learning all those interesting chords, scales, techniques, if all you're going to use is palm-muting and 3 chords?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamax Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 why bother learning all those interesting chords' date=' scales, techniques, if all you're going to use is palm-muting and 3 chords??[/quote']cos it sounds better than a musical wank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulscoconutass Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Chris Cheney holds the 'Best Punk Guitarist' award in my eyes. Mixes everything everything from jazz, rockabilly, blues, ska, punk and country to make the most amazing songs. Almost every tune has a beautiful solo and he's so established that he now gets pimped by heaps of shite bands like Jet.I'll check this guy oot when Kaaza manages to actually find something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Savant Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 This guy? Strung out? Both guitarist rip out this solo (another cool thing about strung out - both guitarists are very capable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leckie Gilman Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Yeah I agree. It's good when both guitarists in a double guitarist type band can do ace stuff.Except maybe if one is a singer/guitar player.But yeah the guys from Strung Out are pretty rad indeed.Also Chris and Chris from Lagwagon are awesome and so is: Jade from AFI, Noodles from Offspring, Warren from Vandals, the guy from My Chemical Romance that does all the solos and El Hefe from NOFX are all fuckin gnarley solo players from PUNK BANDS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Maverik Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 cos it sounds better than a musical wankBut you don't necessarily have to create wank music.... you could, I don't know.... Be Creative! Some nice riffs, some thought out lead counter melodies & chord structures, or you could just pick 3 power chords....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leckie Gilman Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Actually, I was thinking, I'm not really all about the solo.I'm not THAT bothered about solos. I mean I will still be impressed by a decent solo in a punk rock song, but I've always thought like interesting rhythm parts by guitars in punk bands are more to be impressed about or like cool riffs or crazy palm muting.Like Matt Skiba from Alkaline Trio does that a lot and he's one of my favourite guitar players and to me, his guitar playing is more interesting than a solo from a lot of other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AmbientMood Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 musical wankmmmmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compuphonic Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 mmm... this is interesting.. obviously the term 'punk' has changed a lot in the last 29 years What does punk mean now ? (serious question)To me it was about the ability for anyone to have a go at making music irrespective of the ability to play an instrument. Folks like The Pistols and Damned used to have the names of the note and strings painted/tippexed onto their instruments to get through a set...The idea of a solo (and a repeatable one) was heading back towards the prog rock movement that kick started punk into life...A lot of people see paralles in the acid house movement and dance genres of the late '80s and early '90s for similar reasons..I've obviously missed a lot... where did punk lose its way ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Maverik Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 mmm... this is interesting.. obviously the term 'punk' has changed a lot in the last 29 years What does punk mean now ? (serious question)To me it was about the ability for anyone to have a go at making music irrespective of the ability to play an instrument. Folks like The Pistols and Damned used to have the names of the note and strings painted/tippexed onto their instruments to get through a set...The idea of a solo (and a repeatable one) was heading back towards the prog rock movement that kick started punk into life...A lot of people see paralles in the acid house movement and dance genres of the late '80s and early '90s for similar reasons..I've obviously missed a lot... where did punk lose its way ?Good call, also how did punk get from leather, daft hair cuts, safety pins as jewellery and rebellion to daft twats in stupid baggy shorts and caps bitching about their girlfriend dumping them or stealing their milkshake or something?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lisa Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Strung Out arent even really punk...Theyre basically a metal band. There is better examples of these twos playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamax Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Some nice riffs' date=' some thought out lead counter melodies & chord structures.......[/quote']i think you must be talking bout emo or metal surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Maverik Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 i think you must be talking bout emo or metal surely?That's not what I mean. You've missed the point I was trying to make. If punk guitarists are only intent on slapping out 3 power chords, then why bother wasting all that time learning all those scales / chords etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamax Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 That's not what I mean. You've missed the point I was trying to make. If punk guitarists are only intent on slapping out 3 power chords' date=' then why bother wasting all that time learning all those scales / chords etc?[/quote']i dont imagine any 'punk' guitarists would ever waste time ''learning all those scales / chords etcif they did then they would be proper musicians pretending to be punks, usually adopting the label to try to add cred to thier shitty metal and emo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Savant Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 i dont imagine any 'punk' guitarists would ever waste time ''learning all those scales / chords etcMaybe they like more than one type of music? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamax Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Maybe they like more than one type of music?im using the scenario of a punk guitarist as a person playing punk in a punk bandtherefor in that context he/she wont need to play any queen or eddie van halen stuffif he/she did it in their spare time then fair enough, but it would still be useless when it was time to play some punkpunk is basically no rules music but the one unwritten one is ''no fucking musos'' (I didnt write this...its just one of the ways punk can be loosly defined )bastardising it with other more musically skilled genres is when it stops being punk and turns into something elsebut lets not go there! ANSWER TO ORIGINAL QUESTION:A person making a statement like ''punk guitarists are shit'' is a dick (probably a muso) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 horses for courses I suppose...a lot of my guitar heroes are three chord wonders....I just like their technique and their tone...I actually get quite muso-ish over guitar tones though, especially the ones where there was probably no thought put into the tone by said guitarist at the time. Makes it all that harder to recreate.Punk has changed from the days when you would play a woolworths guitar through your dad's stereo and think "what a fucking shitty sound....great!!!" I know of one or two Aberdeen guitarists who did exactly this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamax Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 agree its a bit of artform to get a good punk sound out of equipment since most gear in the shops is designed to sound like ''modern'' *ahem* generic rock music, or to be versatile and musicalmaking a guitar set up sound like The Mekons, The Prefects, X RAY sPEX, Dead Kennedys etc requires real talent ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 agree its a bit of artform to get a good punk sound out of equipment since most gear in the shops is designed to sound like ''modern'' *ahem* generic rock music' date=' or to be versatile and musicalmaking a guitar set up sound like The Mekons, The Prefects, X RAY sPEX, Dead Kennedys etc requires real talent ! [/quote']No it doesn't, I can do it with my 10 watt Stagg amplifier, and my under-200 beginners Ibanez Punk is an idea, NOT a sound. Thie argument is now void Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Pfftt.10 watt stagg amp....Steve Jones is rolling in his grave, and he's not even dead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Yeah, Steve Jones played Les Paul thru Marshall (or something), but I'm sure Captain Sensible would approve of the opportunities for random and unintentional distortion that the 10-watt Stagg provides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen B Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 That's if you can get it to saty on long enough. And yes punk is an idea not a sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HummerOfIntenseEvil Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Good call' date=' also how did punk get from leather, daft hair cuts, safety pins as jewellery and rebellion to daft twats in stupid baggy shorts and caps bitching about their girlfriend dumping them or stealing their milkshake or something??[/quote']Actually the original ideas of punk were practically dead by the time leather jackets, daft hair cuts and safety pins as jewellery came into it. As Johnny Rotten said in "The Filth And The Fury", the real punks couldn't afford a leather jacket. The whole safety pin thing came about as a result of not being able to afford buying new clothes, never mind an expensive leather jacket.The image of a leather clad moron with a big multi-coloured mohican and safety pins for ear-rings is an 80s image, or as Marcus Grey put it, "the third generation of punk". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamax Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 No it doesn't' date=' I can do it with my 10 watt Stagg amplifier, and my under-200 beginners Ibanez Punk is an idea, NOT a sound. Thie argument is now void[/quote']because you dont understand the argumentyou are actually agreeing with meshit gear usually does the trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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