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  1. So, Phil Anselmo

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    13 minutes ago, SeaOfEnergy said:

    Does anybody else see the inconsistency/irony/hypocrisy though when compared to Beyonce and her 'black panther' routine that the media seems to have absolutely *loved* at the superbowl - they all had their fists raised, all 'black power' like....

    I understand they are on the side of the oppressed in the the whole racism situation but shouldn't these displays of 'power' based solely on skin colour be discouraged anyway?

     

    I think that you are grossly oversimplifying things and need to consider the history of African American culture from slavery to the present day when you consider shows of "black power". Remember that black power as displayed by our Beyonce is about empowerment and equal representation. Phil Anselmo is coming from a position of privilege (being a white man in America), so a proclamation of white power from him at best suggests a vote for the current status quo, which is hardly equal on the race front.

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  2. So, Phil Anselmo

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    13 minutes ago, Lemonade said:

    Ah here:

    We're getting a bit away from Phil Anselmo here, can this thread include all cuntish celebrity behaviour?

    Perhaps Adam Johnson will release an apology video where he doesn't apologise for the sex offences, but apologises for offending people.

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  6. So, Phil Anselmo

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    On 09/02/2016 at 10:16 AM, Stroopy121 said:

    My desire to overlook a band's personal politics is pretty slim, but I find it nigh impossible to do so when it's a "feature" member of a band. I quite liked LostProphets and used to listen to them a lot in my school days, but now I feel sick to the stomach knowing that a man I used to identify with wrote all that material while he was fucking kids.. It's not even a bittersweet thing, it flat out turns my stomach. If it was the rhythm guitarist I might have felt differently, I might have been able to ignore it if I really tried.

    I went off Frank Turner when I found out he was a bit of a Tory.. not in a conscious way, I just started hearing the voice of an arsehole and I didn't like it any more. Even though he now says that he's not. I get what he was saying in 2009, I think, that a lot of people think (especially after Thatcher Fucked the Kids) that he's a screaming hard left socialist when he's more moderate than that, so being more right-wing than Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn meant he felt misrepresented by the reputation that had almost been foisted on him. http://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/05/frank-turner-im-not-a-tory

    If an artist makes transphobic or homophobic remarks, or says shit I fundamentally disagree with, it often colours my perception of them whether I want it to or not, but I think I'm in a minority of people who takes this kinda stuff more seriously than others do.

    Henry Rollins' piece on suicide after the death of Robin Williams made me lose SO much respect for him - he just comes across as the worst kind of arrogant, macho fucking arsehole (http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-fuck-suicide-5016770) which I know he kinda is, but at least he never seemed to kick down before. He seemed to target the big and powerful and stand up for the little guy and this felt like a real reality check.

    He wrote a "retraction" of sorts a few days later where he seemed genuinely sad to have hurt so many people. Folks who wrote to him explained why what he was saying was dogshit and he seemed in his followup to really take it on board. It's easy to say something shitty, we all do it, but a genuine "I fucked up, thanks for calling me on it, I'll try to be better" goes a long way (http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-more-thoughts-on-suicide-5027287).

     

    In my eyes, if you support a band with openly racist members, if you wear the tshirts and buy the records, then in my mind it's saying you care more about the songs than you do about the politics... and I don't think any band are more important than these kinds of issues, whether it's contributing to the continuing stigmatisation of mental health issues, homophobia, racism, or domestic violence, rape, murder, paedophilia, whatever. You're giving people a pass on their crimes and it's not something I'm OK with.

     

    As for Lemmy, I think his collection and use of Nazi symbolism is fuckwitted and ill-informed, and stinks of privilege, but I don't think it makes him a bad person and I don't think it reflects his personal politics (as the video above demonstrates). The reason it's such a dick move, and what sets it apart from, say, Genghis Khan memorabilia is that not only are there still-living victims, there are still fairly major pro-Nazi denominations, gangs and (though they try to deny it) political parties, which brings us back around to Phil Anselmo. When the Nazis are all gone, when there are no pro-nazi groups, when nobody living has seen friends and loved ones killed in the name of Nazis, then (in my eyes) it starts to become more of a gray area and you start being able to look at the fashion of it separately from the politics. 

     

    But that's just me.

    xx

    A very sensible and pragmatic post.

    Although, you should never have listened to Lostprophets or Frank Turner as their music is fucking terrible, never minds being Tories or molesting kids.

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  15. So, Phil Anselmo

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    17 hours ago, Soda van Jerk said:

    Anselmo's apology is weird. He is sorry for offending people, but he doesn't seem sorry for being a full-on, raging racist. I think he's missing the point of why people are offended. Normally when someone who has used a racial slur/gesture is called out, they vehemently deny being racist. He doesn't deny it. He's probably comfortable being racist. He's just sorry he did it whilst being filmed.

    I thought this too, at no point did he say what he did was racist and therefore bad, he just was sorry to offend people. That is a really odd way to react to such negative criticism.

    17 hours ago, Lemonade said:

    I wouldn't go as far as to say I'd never listen to Pantera again,  which admittedly is a rare occurrence anyway...

    This is an interesting point about appreciating an artist - how far do they have to go to offend your personal morals for you to no longer appreciate their art? I dare say there are not many fans of Gary Glitter & Lost Prophets left, but judging from the comments I've read about Anselmo's actions, there are hunners of apologists for his abhorrent actions.

  19. Albums 2016

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    On 30/01/2016 at 3:46 PM, Soda van Jerk said:


    Do you like it? I just can't get into it, and I'm a fan of both. Jesu moreso.

    It didn't feel like much of collaboration. Mostly just Jesu recordings with some Kozelek vocals planted on top. The best songs were the few that don't really sound like Jesu. The heavy downtuned songs sound weird.

    On first listen I thought that it sounded a bit muddled and not very cohesive at all. I'll give it a few more listens though.

  23. Small venues vs. noise complaints

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    I have just read on Facebook about Downstairs' (The Malt Mill) current woes, namely having to install a limiter due to noise complaints from one new resident. This mirrors quite closely issues that Cellar 35 has been experiencing and the implementation of a limiter to that venue has had (in my opinion) a very negative effect on the "event quality" and definitely plays a part in whether or not I go to a gig there.

    This is very bad news for local music in Aberdeen, not only the DIY scene since Downstairs plays host to all manner of acts.

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