Lawy Lawson:Attorney

I personally tend to check for a scale that has all or most of those notes.

All of those notes can be found in Emaj or E natural minor.

I disagree' date=' I'd be inclined to say that DCFC have more in common with indie bands like Built To Spill, than that of emo pop bands like TGUK, in particular their earlier material. Sure, Blink 182 at this point in their career are taking onboard more 'emo' influences, but I still believe they have very little in common. Is it also fair to say the general demographic for a band like Blink 182 are kids between the ages of say 14 - 18, whereas for a band like DCFC it's more of an older fan-base? Therefore, I stick to my original point in that I see little point in them playing these dates, and if they choose not to play any of their own shows, it's only their fans who are going to miss out.

As for your Postal Service comment, I'd choose either DNTEL or Death Cab For Cutie any day.[/quote']

I agree 100% on your "older fanbase" comment, but I personally don't think progressing to Deathcab through some of the "softer" emo bands is wildly impossible. Sorry if you thought I was implying Blink 182 and DCFC sound alike, I guess I was using my own progresssion as a listener as an example. I agree I'd rather see DCFC play their own shows, but I imagine they'll polarise the Blink 182 crowd. Some people will be bored to tears by them, and I think others will fall for the completely, although I'm only theorising here.

I tend to prefer Postal Service because I'm a total mark for synth stuff anyway

What Dntel can you recommend, I've never heard them.

theyr completely different!

however' date=' dntel >postal service[/quote']

Yeah, but same vocalist.

I have still to hear dntel, but it's on my "to do' list.

I must say though:

Postal Service > Deathcab for Cutie.

I' date=' on the other hand, stayed fairly low key for the evening. People steered clear of me, I din't bother them. It was cool 8)[/quote']

A lot of my favorite posters were there, but I'd feel like a pleb going "OMG ! R U (POSTER !!! TEH LOLLERZ!" So.... I stood like a pleb for half an hour because the friend I was supposed to be going with was half an hour late....

franz ferdinand suck

I never thought so before, but huge type is the most persuasive argument I have ever seen. Christ, how could I have been so blind! Franz Ferdinand DO suck!

Anyway, I think people confuse "mainstream" with "commercial". See, when music is MADE to be commerical, I agree that it often lacks something. It becomes aural junk-food. Look, we all know this. This doesn't mean that is succesful is necessary bad, though. It just means it's....succesful.

I mean' date=' they appeal to a completely different group of people, I fail to see any point in their decision to play these gigs. [/quote']

Not entirely. The progression to Deathcab through a couple of other bands like the Get Up Kids strating at Blink 182 seems pretty natural, especially considering the influences Blink 182 are taking on board these days.

i knew a guy who got banned from using the bus because he kept churning one off

(when i say knew i mean like he lived next door to my friend)

Just admit it was you. We'll respect you more. "Next door to my friend", pah!

that was me. i have seen a wood wasp. it went 'bah'.

Ah ok. So you've seen A woodwasp but not THE wood wasp. Sorry if my crazy accusations offended .

Radio Lucifer: Better than I expected (not that I expected you to be bad by any means, just I was pleasantly suprised) and the a-string snappage wasn't that big a deal really. I'd pay to see them again because they were entertaining.

Rat Daddy: Played some kind of never-ending Bizarro set that never ended. I actully liked the flock of seagulls cover, because I'm probably a gay. Anyway, technically very good but kind of dull in the end. It could be a Fox documentary: "When good bands blow" because there is a good band in there but they were buried under a sea of "watch-looking" and "stop please".

King Liar: The girl who claims to have met the Wood Wasp is clearly a liar or deluded, because if she HAD seen it she would be dead and if wood wasp had seen HER she'd be dead. I can only conclude she may have seen wood wasp through some kind of camera arrangement or mistook a normal wasp for wood wasp. Anyway, yeah fun was had by all as usual and my love for Super Transformation Valkyrie no.1 grows.

good enough lawy?

GET OUT OF MY HOUSE! PERV!

That Karloff one that goes "We're gonna get ya", it's pretty ace.

And "Currently nameless upbeat Irish sounding song" by One Wing Angel, because I'm a whore and I'm getting the name out there.

I just hope Jesus isn't reading this thread. Infact, if any of you can find a jpeg image of Jesus on a computer looking horrifyed *I* will personally come to your house and flick your bean/rattle your cock for free!

http://azpunk.com/

you can get the video here. The attacker claims it was in self defense after confronting Danzig for being an asshat to other bands on the bill.

Danzig got fucking owned!

I'm with you.

The band themselves are talented' date=' and have some original ideas... I love them, and respect them. The fact that they get airplay is incidental... this doesn't affect how good a band is, only how they are percieved by ignorant, "I'm so alternative" twats.[/quote']

I think they borrowed their "original ideas" from XTC in some cases, but I think they're a really good pop band. I have a suspicion 'Vis is OWA's bassist, so I don't want to upset him, he could probably kick my ass.

Why all the hating for Franz Ferdinand?

agreed' date=' it is an amazing album. It's probibly better than relationship of command, but only just.[/quote']

'tis ace, but it really does sound like it was recorded in a garage made out of quality street tins. It's the same with the Dead Kennedys. I prefer "Plastic Surgery Disasters" over "Fresh Fruit..." slightly because it simply sounds a little better.

I know what I'm saying sounds kinda....dumb and really "MTV generation" or something and I'm not a fan of overproduction either, but it's a shame neccesity took away a little from some awesome music.

charlotte hatherly (ash)'s boyfriend is the guy who wrote Shaun of the Dead....

Simon Pegg and Edgar Wright did. Which one is her boyfriend?

Dan atom/weapon/loaded dropped is lucozade just outside of hmv yesterday. i saw him. from afar.

If that was me, I'd be pissed. It's like 80p a bottle.

I've book marked that link incase OWA ever gig. It's a really good article, I'd say.

Yeah does anyone else here like old fashioned emo?

Ive got a Rites Of Spring cd and a few other emo songs from that era' date=' and in my opinion they're all a hell of a lot better than a lot of what is classed as emo now.

Anyone got any favourite bands/records that played emo in the 80's?[/quote']

Now you're talking! I'm quite fond of the stuff from abouyt ten years ago, like Texas is the Reason and Sunny Day Real Estate. I like Rites of Spring, but I feel their album is let down slightly by the production.

Yeah, yeah emo's lame. I'm glad you decided to tell us again incase we forgot

I have bad habit of knowing really random things about music. Just wondering what random msuic facts you guys on here know. Ill get ball rolling

billy from good charlotte played guitar on parts of biohazards 1992 self titled album o_O

How old was he at the time? He can't have been more than 6 to look at him.

I always thought Dave looked like Gail from Coronation Street!

And the Moon. When I bought whatever album had The Wicker Man on it, I was tranfixed by how perfectly round and knobbly his face is. It's like having a biscuit where your face should be! LOL!

Nicko isn't so bad. He looks kinda tough.

James Hetfield has more craters than Mars. FACT!

Dubbed "screamo" or "extremo" by those who invent categories for such things' date=' the groups write scathing, turbulent songs rooted equally in hardcore, metal and emo. Typically they play aggressive, chaotic passages flush with larynx-shredding vocals, then balance them with swooping melodies and vocal harmonies. But while there's certainly a formula at play, it's not as predictable as the soft verse/ loud chorus formula followed by most neo-grunge acts.

Over the past year, screamo has surfaced in a major way: just check out your local Hot Topic, turn on "Headbangers Ball" or leaf through the major metal mags. And Ozzfest has caught on like a shark following the scent of blood. The festival, whose second stage has proven to be the litmus test of all things loud it booked System of a Down in '98, Slipknot in '99, and the Used in '02 is making its boldest strides to date by enlisting screamers Atreyu, Every Time I Die, Unearth, Hatebreed and Throwdown for this year's festival.

As thrilled as he is to go from playing small clubs to festival crowds, Buckley is shocked to be embraced by today's metal fans. Like many of his screamo peers, who enjoy elements of metal but align themselves more closely with the ethics and aesthetics of hardcore, he has little respect for stereotypical heavy metal.

"When I was younger, my older second cousin used to listen to metal, and it was all about big work boots, hair down to your ass and tapered jeans," Buckley said. "You'd enter your car at the crash-up derby at the county fair and listen to Guns N' Roses and Slayer. Compared to that, there's no way we're metal but today metal kids are [different']. ... Maybe the aggression and the energy we have in our music is something those people can relate to."

Screamo's progression to Ozzfest didn't happen in a weekend, and it required the right climate and circumstances to prosper. In the late '90s, while punk rockers were getting turned on by Slayer, Pantera and melodic Scandinavian metal, some rivetheads were discovering the social and political messages of '80s D.C. punk bands like Minor Threat, Fugazi and Rites of Spring. What followed was a rash of metallic but lyrically poignant hardcore outfits including Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, Neurosis and Cave In, which inspired a legion of other musicians to push the boundaries of both punk and metal styles.

On one side of the fence were more punk-oriented bands like Converge, Dead Guy, Coalesce and Botch. And on the other were metallic groups such as Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, Lamb of God and All That Remains. Different though they were, all were united in their efforts to experiment with the parameters of extreme sound. Then, as heart-on-sleeve screamo outfits including Thrice, Thursday and the Used poked their heads into the mainstream, the floodgates opened for the new breed to feed. Almost immediately, an audience tired of formulaic n-metal began lapping it up.

Jon Wiederhorn

I can't help feeling this is the creative coffin nail for "screamo", which is a shame. Cos some of it was alright. Meh.