Huw

here dave,

since your going fancy filling me in what the sound in the union is like? i was going to go, but i'm playing rugby away and won't be back in time...

Looking forward to seeing black channels more than enablers.

Allergos demo still gets a spin every now and then and from what av heard they are pretty special

i havn't been to outrageous amounts of gigs, but i've never walked away from a performance with nothing to say. I didn't have anything to say after them, was ace.

after seeing black channels tonight i strongly recommend seeing them. so much energy... made me feel like crap for not being able to make music like that.

and enablers... YAS.

going to be special.

the microtonal stuff just makes it sound out of tune to me too 8-)

clever muso types (shredders, jazz fusioneers...) have been using eastern 5s and 7s for ages. as well as indian microtonal stuff (fretless 'fusion' guitarists, although it all sounds pretty terrible to me).

12/8 is used all the time in jazz and blues; as are microtones (sort of: 'blues curls').

I wasn't saying those time signatures weren't used at all... just that it wasn't natural.

free jazz and jazz fusion are genres of music i've yet to even give a listen let alone understand.

Also is it cool to keep your arms crossed during a band, it was really pissing me off the amount of folk stood next to each other arms crossed

Think I might try putting shows on at the neuk, i like the the way it is now.

Why am i not allowed to cross my arms at gigs? If i put them at my side they look silly.

Annoyed/ashamed i didn't go. I'm going to the Dundee gig, no excuse for not going to an Aberdeen gig though bloody uni work.

I don't think you can ridicule those lads for attending a good gig, despite them being there for their mates bands or not. Was discussing this the other day with a mate and a valid point was made... If all the Aberdeen scenes were kind of 'joined' then people would be exposed to different kinds of music maybe leading to make their own mind up. Discussions for another day/thread.

its weird what sounds musical in different countries/cultures. Some of those tahitian harmonies are off sounding to us, but i guess to them its all melodic.

Time signatures too... Traditional western music's natural rhythm tends to be in 4/4, but in some Eastern European countries the natural rhythm is 5/4.

Ghanian drum ensembles drum in 12/8 so i'm told. Regardless it sounds very cool.

What intervals are those harmonies the Bulgarian choir are singing?

There shouldn't be a comma. Also stop "collecting" skramz(zzzzzz) bands, you credibility hound!

beats stamps, ye cunt. besides, i was merely showing my disappointment in the fact that there aren't more.

Why shouldn't there be a comma? surely it should be 'set light to our kingdom' then?

yup good band and good people. the new LP is tres sweet

im doing them on the wednesday with Kaddish, Sunset Squad and Black Channels (ampere/jeromes worship featuring allergo/mesa verde members) so there is maybe potential that Kaddish do both

Maxi - Got a link to that black channels?? That will take my Scottish skramz band tally up to i think 4 (mesa/kaddish/archives/black channels). EDIT2: got the black channels stuff... its cool. The vocals are mega low in the mix though.

Just listened to the 'set light, our kingdom' (i feel there should be a comma) track. the vocals are ok although they are far too high in the mix... I'm not sure if its the drumming, but it just doesn't seem very tight.

If kaddish came up i'll even more definetly be heading down.

Kinda gutted we're not playing this now... alas, Calum's fishmongering beckons.

EDIT: ask S W O R D M A S T E R to play

Rugby League is a thousand times better.

I hate Union more than any sport on earth.

It's such a slow, dull game.

No. Slow, brainless and very boring. One break will inevitably lead to a try. Have you ever been to a game? There is more minks in attendance than any SPL game.

I'm just waiting for S14 to start, beacause quite frankly the standard of rugby in this 6 nations hums to high heaven. Even the form team, France, can't pull their finger out for an entire game. Clerc looks on form though, as does Heymans - who used to be quite slow and verging on chubby. I really like Malzieu for Clermont, although he scored a try last week for France his performance wasn't amazing... Talking about the french back three at length is a lot more exciting than talking about Scottish rugby.

There is no hope for the future either... did anybody see the pumping Wales U20 gave Scotland U20? I knew a few boys from there who seem very good players at club level but just couldn't produce when faced with good opposition. The problem with Scottish rugby is there is little or no development for younger players stemming fromthe SRU being a bunch of arseholes.

I heard this. Rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

Just as they became my favourite band.

Four local bands. 3. Should be a good night...

indeed.

east neuk... ya beast!

mapped by what surrounded them - The Twilight Sad

Red Sky - Thrice

1 - Bossk

Resuscitation - Kolya

I am Champagne, You Are Shit - Meet Me In St Louis

...had better.

Boo to the venue - whats wrong with it?

No Heroes is your favourite? I was listening to it today, and its GOOD, but there are better. Jane Doe is obviously a classic, and PTES and WFCC are awesome.

I think You Fail Me is massively underrated.

Ach, they're all ace!

No Heroes is very good, but really doesn't stand out to me like Jane Doe does. I'm still not over the fact Kurt Ballou plays through a metal zone.

I'm going to try my damnedest to make it down, as i had a ticket last year, but i fell ill on the day... even it is just to see the pit in the broken vow with all the fist pumping and such-like. From what i've heard they are the best live band ever.

On the Converge topic, does anyone know what Kurt actually does with his guitar at the start of concubine?

wow... a fender reverb and a diezel in the space of two months. mental. Aberdeen likes its tone.

listened to maybeshewill. quite cool. reminds me of mahumodo/*shels a wee bit.

any word on extra bands? excited for the neuk like... flooorr shoowwzzz

Wales beating England in 'Twikers' was possibly one of the best moments of my life. Saying that their game was patchy as hell showing enterprise for possibly about a minute for the entire game.

Scotland look boring and pretty dire generally. No surprises i suppose.

Rugby is a cunt's game, but you have NO idea how much fun it is being a cunt to someone on the pitch.

You're better of learning how to do it yourself, or send it off to somewhere with a good reputation.

I tried that once. used a site tunemybass or something like that. intonation was fine and it sounded sweet and tight even in drop C, but that action was far too high... i wouldn't know how to sort thast out. Bruceys recommended me this independent guy... Marshall Dow. i have his number somewhere...

That's a bit harsh don't you think. I think my DSL50 sounds pretty damn good. The lead channel might be a little thin sounding sometimes at lower levels, but that does not make it a bad amp. The clean and crunch are ace. I've played a 800 lately, in fact I did a back to back test with the DSL vs 800...result... both good sounding amps, but different in their own ways. TBH I prefer the DSL because of the switching etc, and to my ears slightly better sounding. Both were played through a Marshall 4x12 70's cab c/w with greenbacks.

Over the years I've had too many amps to remember, and they have all had something good about them - granted, some more than others - Line 6, marshall valvestate, 60's Vox AC 30 (s) mesa, peavey classic, plexi, bluesbreakers etc etc etc. Every one of those amps had a sound which I thought was good for a certian type of music etc.

I hear all the time about valve amp this, valve amp that, tranny this and tranny that. We all have different ideas about what is good to listen to and what's not.

So to get back to your comment about marshall not building a great amp since the 800...your talking utter pish!

you said yourself most of those amps had something good about them and that they were suited for a certain style. but when someone is playing through an 800 you KNOW it... no matter what style... that makes it a great amp.

Meet me in St Louis were brilliant. After that everything is a blur. If only they had played I am champagne and you are shit...

nah nah nah... torso was severed needed to come on. we should have started an encore.

MMISL were fantastic, couldn have don with more singers in the crowd but still fantastic.

Black Fish were OK. For me they varied between the fairly good and the fairly pish far too often.Reminded me of Hot Mangu a bit, dont know why.

Anyone else notice that they had nicked some of MMISL riffs/ideas?

more singing was required. most of the good bits were sung though. if they were really tech they would have done it themselves....

some of blakfish's vocals were cool. but that was about as far as it got... it wasn't an endurance test, but not enjoyable.

Secta were good for the most part... only let down by leaning a bit too much towards what sounded very numetal.

katerwaul never dissappoint.

you might be able to get THROATS up. but its a bit of a long shot.

Moleck are ace. They were stunning with sincabeza... drummer is a bit of a machine like.

Unless you get lucky like me and manage to pick up a Mesa Boogie for 150

lucky does not describe it. probably on par with winning euro millions.

yeah thanks guys i will definately be looking out for some of the amps mentioned second hand, completely see the sense of it in the long run.

Yeah, that Kerry King jcm 800 is the way to go if your wanting to fork out the big bucks. Or possibly the 5150 EVH, don't really know what it sounds like though.

Another options the Marshall Vintage Modern - can get it for around 560 new. With the right pedals and guitar it sounds great - probably sound OK with the likes of boss metal zones too. Really versatile, lovely clean channel, a few knobs and simple controls means theres less tone draining going on.

Excited for the Neuk.

Apparently its nice and small now.

jcm900 is not a good option, they actually suck the life out of guitar tone

I thought they were meant to be really good. bummer. Why is that then?

well ive never had any issues with my avt other than the 2 times its broken , both in the same practice situation in a dusty barn so chances are the environment affected it, i got it years ago when i was was lookin to upgrade from my old valvestate 100w combo, and to be honest id say ive got my moneys worth over the years, was thinkin bout a new amp but would it be worth spending hundreds on another amp when i could repair the one ive got for 100 or sumthin? was lookin at the randall g3 150h they look tasty .....

It really is. You can pick up a Peavey Valve King Head for 350 or something off GAK and i reckon that tone would suit what you want perfectly. I might be wrong, but from what I've heard they produce pretty good tone and have clarity even when you crank the drive. It has valves, so you will have to have 'check ups' every so often, but its probably worth it. Or you can fork out for something you'd keep for life - maybe a JCM 800/900?