Steve Temple

am i missing something?

Yes. See my profile.

Needless to say' date=' my life has no other purpose until I become part of the experience that I have waited for throughout it. I will be a shell of my former self until April the 22nd[/quote']

OK, simmer the fuck down...

...until he plays "The National Front Disco", at which point I may too go "apeshit"

For all who have NEVER heard of ANY of these bands. ALL of them are on the web and have Myspace pages

Except Beton Brute...sorry, folks

Tiny Dancer may be supporting The Crimea

Oh, The Crimea are playing sometime, too? I maybe should have put them in the list. John Peel said "Lottery Winners on Acid" was the best single he'd heard in years, which was overstating the point a bit, but it's certainly charming

Lust in the Movies is a choooon. Sounds like a good 'un.

Hahaha, I heard that song and thought of you! How sad, I don't know you

But I love it too, but Giddy Stratospheres edges it, because it doesn't sound like Elastica at all, whereas Lust in the Movies does slightly

10.The Noisettes

Worth seeing next week, d'ya think?

Mine:

1, Beton Brute

2, Boy Kill Boy

3, The Long Blondes

4, Drive-By Argument

4, The Semi-Finalists

5, Protocol (I fear)

6, Guillemots

7, This Et Al

8, The Robocop Kraus

9, The Automatic

10, Tiny Dancer

Today, I have mostly been too energetic to revise for my exams, thanks to the following:

Twelve (not a patch on Thirteen, but nothing compares to the most thrilling 4 minutes and 7 seconds in the history of recorded sound) - !Forward Russia!

Area - The Futureheads

Lust in the Movies - The Long Blondes

Apes Aping Apes - The Robocop Kraus

What's Your Damage (Alan Braxe & Fred Falke remix) - Test Icicles

Ah' date=' but wait!!!

Captain Sensible LOVED the Soft Machine(far out dadaist-jazz music), plus his former band mate Rat Scabies recently played drums with Donovan...

Captain Sensible - 1 johnston's(no e) raga shit - 2[/quote']

Haha, I know, I've been reading all about the prog-tendencies of supposed hardline punks in Simon Reynolds "Rip It Up and Start Again". Like Wire, of whom NME said "they've gone from Pink Flag to Pink Floyd" when they released their 2nd album (their 1st was called Pink Flag). But I think the post-punk bands were more restrained in their desire to develop rock (it was considered shocking when Wire did a song that lasted 4 minutes!). Or maybe their motivation was to deconstruct rock, rather than develop it

Interestingly, "Rock the Casbah" by the Clash has the line "the king told the boogie man, you've got to let that raga drop", with reference to their manager Bertie Rhodes, who dismissed most of the songs on their Sandanista album as being "ragas"...

Therefore: Hippies, prog-rockers and raga-enthusiasts v.s popTart punk allstars: match abandoned due to Steve Temple being unable to field a team as hardcore as him

What...? She looks about 13 years old.

And she played Rosie in the Sleepover Club.

But Boyd is' date=' what, 19? And he doesn't see any problem with dating her. My conscience is clear :']

But it doesn't matter, because she has been displaced: Elle on the plane yesterday, with curls in her hair and rouge on her cheeks, was just divine

Please tell me you are taking the piss.

No one has mentioned Carmella...by far the hottest. Or what about Elle?

I'm not! You realise I mean Janae, and not Janelle, right?

Good shout on both Carmella and the baby-faced assassin

Why dont you try to open your own mind instead?

Forget all these self made rules about what should and shouldn't be allowed within certain styles of music etc!

I've tried to enjoy Hendrix and jazz and raga shit, and there was a time when I thought I did, but I realised I was fooling myself. You know what, I really think they might sound half-way decent to my ears if I did drop some acid...

...but that's not going to happen, because of popTart's Rules of Pop #46: "Pop should be made to sound good while the listener is high on alcohol and/or Prittstick, since these are the stimulants most readily to it's core audience." Therefore: Captain Sensible - 1 Hendrix and Johnstone's raga-shit - 0

Sky Mungrel more like' date=' fucking munter.[/quote']

She absolutely is. I feel sick looking at her

Janae is by far Ramsay Street's top-totty. Especially in some of the indecent things she's been wearing recently

Did you post this waffle to piss people off or do you speak shite all the time?

"I consider blues and jazz musicians to be pop acts" you do know that pop is an abbreviation of popular?

"blues and jazz are just other examples of low art' date=' with no more value than what is commonly known as "pop" ....value....???? what the fuck are you on about?[/quote']

If "pop" just meant "popular" then it would have been used to describe whatever filled the void before the 50s. "Big band" or whatever

By "value" I mean artistic merit. Go on and try and change my mind

you mean the big flashy light thing of his name?

other than that i dont know what the full Las Vegas stage show was?

That's EXACTLY what I meant! Do you think it will fit on the Music Hall stage?

I'm curious to know' date=' do you listen to much Blues and Jazz or stuff that isn't song based?[/quote']

I do listen to stuff that isn't song based, but just not when it's done by pop acts. I consider blues and jazz musicians to be pop acts, because - as I've said before - blues and jazz are just other examples of low art, with no more value than what is commonly known as "pop". I think that all pop/low art should deal in is disposable, danceable songs, whereas classical -as the only musically based high art - can aspire to produce music in forms other than song. To be honest, I'm more of a classical tart than I am a pop tart, but I don't talk about it on here because classical music and pop music aren't comparable

p.s. I've probably unfairly dismissed the eastern music you love so much. If I were to hear it in a concert hall, I'd probably find that it is high art as well

Thurs 19th / Interesting Music Presents / The Beautiful New Born Children

[domino Records ] ' date=' The Videos , Project Van Hell. 8pm 5

Followed By Bizarre Postcards Indie Night Till 2am . Free

Fri 20th / Rfr Presents / Doloroso + Support. 7.30pm 5

Followed By Dj Dave Milne Till 3am . 2.00

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Bah, I see the pop world doesn't stop for exams. Nor should it

Judging by the places he's playing - both the venues and the cities - it doesn't look like we're gonna get the full Las Vegas stage show that his last tour seemed to consist of. It's a pity, as he's a star and he should act like one. I'll still go, mind

pop tart just likes to mention such people when trying to prove a point. He appears to have some kind of 60's versus 80's thing going on in his mind.

I've nowt at all against the 60s. Infact' date=' it depresses me that music will never matter as much as it did then. However, I do have a considerable amount against the deification of Jimi Hendrix, and against the [b']70s, but that's for the other thread...

The Fire Engines were East Coast to Postcards West. They were alledged invited to sign for Postcard but decided to set up their own label (Pop: Aural). The fact that their impact (according to you) was zero would surely give them greater claim to the under rated tag than OJ. :]

Russell Burn and Dave Henderson (of FE) went on to form Win (which went out on Postcard supremo's (I forget his name at present) next label Swamplands). They were just lush' date=' pure pop. They even featured on a Tenents Lager ad soundtrack!

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The Fire Engines may have been under-rated at the time, but Orange Juice have been under-rated by history. That's what I meant.

Alan Horne was the Postcard supremo. I got most of my information on this from an article on "The Sound of Young Scotland" in Uncut a few months back, but "Rip It Up and Start Again" by Simon Reynolds looks like an essential purchase. Presumably it covers Orange Juice et al considering it's named after an Orange Juice song

Neale Cooper

Best bet out of those mentioned. Plus, he's not tied to another club

slightly off the beaten track here but it is football related. does anyone else fancy Morten Gamst Pedersen? i am a straight man with a long term girlfriend however i find myself more and more attracted to the little Norwegian. that is all

I got my hair cut like him a while back! Without the blonde bits. He's a bit weedy tho, I imagine the lassies might lean more towards that brute Ryan Nelson

I own the 'official' albums' date=' but am not fanatical by any stretch, and I'm lost as to where most of the comments on Hendrix are coming from. They seem pretty ill informed really. When the Pistols arrived, their target was prog rock bands such as Yes and Emerson Lake and Palmer, those were the real culprits of extended and unnecessary improvisations and have no connection to Hendrix's style of music.

'Band Of Gypsies' is the only 'official' Hendrix album released which could be looked at as improvised jamming to my ears, but that's what he wanted to do at that time to break away from the Experience days. A couple of earlier Experience numbers, mainly on 'Are You Experienced?' are more instrumentals rather than songs, but the bulk of his material is 'normal' length songs. Hendrix introduced a style of guitar playing and showmanship that had guitarists such as Clapton questioning their validity (now there is someone the term indulgence could be applied to in terms of guitar playing), and was capable of interpreting other people's material to make it his own - hence Bob Dylan himself acknowledges the quality of Hendrix's version of 'All Along The Watchtower'.

I can listen to Hendrix albums in terms of their era and hear real innovation and the path being laid for those who came after - name me one band of modern times who you can say that about.[/quote']

You're right, I was talking bollocks. But the point is that Jimi Hendrix is over-rated in terms of his impact, because I think those he inspired approached the guitar in a way that was...counterproductive, whereas someone like Captain Sensible inspired people that went on to improve music. I don't have any evidence for this...I think I might have read Slash big up Hendrix, which says it all

To popTart: what about the Fire Engines. They were my favourite 'scottish' band of that period. And Win were pretty under-rated as well. I loved that 'Uh' date=' tears Baby' album.

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I haven't heard the Fire Engines, but from what I've read, I don't think they were as ambitious as Orange Juice or the Associates, both of whom had hit singles. It's been said that Orange Juice virtually invented indie. The Fire Engines may have had good ideas and good songs, but their cultural impact was nil...other than inspiring "Take Me Out" by Franz, for which we can thank them

I haven't heard Win either. Didn't they feature members of other Postcard Records bands?

Have you actually read any of Dawkins' stuff?

I haven't, but unless he's a psychologist or mathematician, I don't see why what he has to say about religion should be of any importance. Not that I respect these two professions (I didn't watch the recent BBC programme about the roots of religion, because it was presented by Professor Robert Winston - a psychologist) you understand, but they are at least fields whose research might impact on religion.

In the programme billing, he was just described as "scientist". What kind of scientist is he?

Magazine. Way' date=' way ahead of their time.

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Agreed. Too clever by half, you might say. The Associates are another band who could release songs now, and they wouldn't sound old or even retro, but fresh or even futuristic

I was gonna say Talking Heads...

...but it's five stars all-round for their re-released albums in Uncut this month

so I was then gonna say Orange Juice...

...but on the front of their "Glasgow School" compilation, Alex Kapranos and Stuart Murdoch totally fawn over them

so I was then gonna say The Wedding Present...

...but I saw "The Wedding Present" written in tippex on a desk on Floor 2 of the Queen Mother library yesterday

so I'll say The Replacements