beeker

there's a problem here beeker.

I am not suggesting the only cause is poverty' date=' I am suggesting it is a factor. You are dismissing this and simply suggesting that the only reason people become drug addicts is because they are weak. You then cite Darwin (?) as the basis for your theory.

Undoubtedly there are many addicts who either come from a higher social class, or who are weak as you ascribe.

Your stereotyping of every drug addict as being beyond help and compassion belies the fact that society has many examples of reformed addicts who have been rehabilitated and now lead normal lives without slipping back into addiction.

If your prognosis was correct, nobody would ever escape from addiction.[/quote']

I have a problem with those who turn to crime as indicated by exapmples throughout this thread. You seem to class every addict the same whether or not they harm others or just themselves. If someone has an addiction yeah, help them by all means. When they harm other people and obviously don't want to give up by turning to crime they shoul dbe locked up for their crimes - rehab in there.

To a degree I would agree with you. The problem then recycles itself as dealers move in and prey on kids in these areas which are bereft of facilities etc. It is a vicious cycle.

I just cannot fathom why in a nation which could have so much wealth to go around we allow poverty to continue. The statistics read that 1 in every 4 children in Scotland lives in poverty.

Our rehab services are also grotesquely under-resourced as well.

Facilities?!... get a ball and fuck off to the park. Didn't do me any harm when i was a kid. Still the same lack of facilities around my area and me and all my friends managed to entertain ourselves without getting into too much trouble and certainly not drugs.

If some hard looking cunt approached me as a kid and said aye - fancy some drugs like min. Only a complete fucking IDIOT would say yes.

I don't usually wish misfortune on people' date=' in your case I am becoming tempted to make an exception.[/quote']

no you'd rather get them to shout out " gouranga" and give them a leaflet for drugs action.

To a degree I would agree with you. The problem then recycles itself as dealers move in and prey on kids in these areas which are bereft of facilities etc. It is a vicious cycle.

I just cannot fathom why in a nation which could have so much wealth to go around we allow poverty to continue. The statistics read that 1 in every 4 children in Scotland lives in poverty.

Our rehab services are also grotesquely under-resourced as well.

Lies, damn Lies and statistics.

that one child may still have a happy full life. It may not include the latest Jordan's or X box. But full none the less. I'd have more sympathy for a child taken into a foster home (the idea being that they are no longer in poverty).

Sorry' date=' but I dont support that view, all I said that was [b']personality is a greater factor in determining the level of odds of becoming an addict.

You are adding your own view there aswell beeker

Fair doos, i'll just agree with your view then.

I never said it wasn't.

Many people have "addiction" problems' date=' are you suggesting that it is simply coincidence that these addiction problems concentrate themselves in areas with low incomes and high deprivation?[/quote']

It takes a certain type of person to become an addict, i'm sure there are just as many addicts in the upper classes as they can afford their habbit. It is just highlighted more in deprived areas due to the people who cannot afford to support their habbit resorting to crime to fund it.

Addicts bug the fuck out of me when they commit crimes and effect other peoples lives and blame it on drugs - regardless of the social class they belong to.

If a junkie drove a car into your mother and said - oh sorry i was on heroin at the time and was driving away from someone's house i'd just burgled and stabbed. Would you still send them to rehab and forgive and forget?...

like fuck you would.

Or if a junkie begging in the stret jabbed you with a needle and gave you the virus, would you still offer him a lift to a Drugs Action centre? No, you wouldn't. You'd want to see this piece of shit low-life get whats coming to them.

I never said I tolerated heroin abuse' date=' not once. I fail to see why you have drawn this conclusion.

I want to see an end to heroin use, cocaine use, the lot.

But I think the fight is better served by trying to help people who fall into drug addiction, rather than declassifying them as human beings.[/quote']

Your "holier than thou" approach really gets under my skin. No-one is 'declassifying' anyone. We just believe that if someone is stupid enough to get so far into drugs they end up on the street or turn to crime they do not deserve the same human rights we all enjoy.

Neubeatz has it spot on with the personality traits of addicts. It's merely an excuse to go on crime spree's and avoid having to work for their paper.

So' date=' if poverty is not a factor towards drug addiction, what would you suggest are the factors which DO make people into addicts?

Or is every drug addict just scum to you?[/quote']

Obviously you have never been a victim of a drug induced crime. Oh it wasn't his fault pish, his mum smacked him when he was a kid / came from printfield / is on drugs.

Weak people are drug addicts, like i said before - the darwin theroy. Strong people will not do drugs, the weak people will and ultimately will die as a result.

There is enough done IMHO to raise awareness of what drugs can do to you, why the hell would you still do them. If you are deprived how can you afford to take drugs?

OK' date=' I don't think calling someone a f'ing this or f'ing that is constructive. Hence why I don't do it.

Basically the problem here is that people seem to be blaming addicts for the situation they find themselves in.

While in some cases that may be true, I think it is far more reprehensible that there are dealers and drug barons out there peddling these drugs to them.

Equally most of these people tend to live in severely deprived areas, the trends cannot be ignored.

We have to pull these people out of the rut that they have ended up in.[/quote']

I've got a friend, originally from bedford area who wil be a lawyer in a couple of months. Citing someones origins as a reason for thier situation is equally as prejudice and sterotypical as you are suggesting my arguments are.

I agree in helping those who find themselves in less fortunate situations than myself, however I cannot condone any kind of crime related to the drug industry. Yes; by all means crack down on the distribution of narcotics but if you are on the street begging and robbing for your next fix, I would suggest you have very little to offer the community and are blatently beyond help.

i agree... just thought you misinterpreted what Kielen was sayin thats all....

you're a touching human being

not very touching when i get my home broken into by a drug fuelled beggar looking for his next score. What possible benefit to society is this person ever going to bring.

Oh yeah, rehabilitate him. Sorry, no. If your life is that far off of the rails then do everyone a favour and end it.

Now you're arguing in favour of renting....make your mind up...

i think what keilan meant was:

if she was so against renting and has now bought and intends to gain income by renting - what would happen if everyone shared her views on not renting - she would have no income.

comprende?!

Welcome to Mastermind' date=' our first contestant please.

Name?

Keilan

Specialist Subject?

Ignorant generalisations and misunderstandings of complex social problems[/quote']

It WOULD solve a lot of things though. Anyone stupid enough to OD - dawrin theory.

do you have any samples of your stuff? Do you cover the songs or put your own twist on them?

Cheers,

beeker

this clown was told in his last post not to post numbers! and the band.

good luck to nailing the fills in sometime soon hehehe

And yet you failed four times? Sorry' date=' that puts you into female territory.

Perhaps you're ( ) a bird trapped in a bloke's body. [/quote']

hehe,

1st - too fast round a roundabout

2nd - not moving forward before the filter light came on

3rd - too slow on country roads

4th - too fast on country roads...

all with the same guy - 5th test i got a different guy and passed with one minor. i had been driving for a while tho lol.

ps. never had any minors ever for manouvers.

You do realise you speak the biggest pile of toss don't you?

he does,...

the only thing uni makes you appreciate is cheap drink and nights out on a tenner!

You're the same age as me and most of my friends' date=' and if any of them were even considering things such as getting a car and a mortgage, then they wouldn't be my friends any more. It's nothing personal, but I find that kind of career-orientated, long-term, bourgeois thinking to be repugant, especially in a young (and supposedly counter-culture?) person.

It's a fair point that most people are finishing degrees at that age, but unless they've taken a vocational course which will see them progress immediately from uni to workplace, then there's no reason why they should have an idea of what they want to do. The best argument for a university education is that it delays what Jake calls the necessary evil of work, but it should also enhance your ability to appreciate the world around you[/quote']

hahahahahahahaha, you drive a car - how repugnant. hahahahahahahahahahaha

stop living in mickey mouse land. A mortgage just means you are supporting yourself and not paying anyone else's mortgage. School is for dreaming uni is for living and work is for buying stuff to help you live better. You need money to experience different things.

Most people go to university to help them get a better idea of subject s they are interested in with a view to working in that field eventually.

Why do you do wht you do?...

Her inability to drive properly could be down to the fact that she is a woman.

flash a bit of boob and the old geezers will give you anything.

I failed 4 times. parking is excellent and general driving is superb. obviously as I am a man.

Good to see your "hard work" ethos is backed up by plenty of examples of you actually working hard and going the extra mile like the lecturers should have according to you.

I busted my gut 10-7. My area was clear of customers. I had 2 handshake badges for good customer service. I just had a problem with the managers.

Hard work doesn't have to mean working after hours.

i once got into trouble for leaving B&Q at 7:10 on a sunday as there were still public in the store. I told the manager that as he stopped paying me at 7pm I am not his staff anymore and to fuck off...

unsurprisingly I got a verbal warning. was worth it tho. fat prick

Dunno' date=' if they were from Aberdeen but they got chucked out of uni. If i ever see them up here (first i need to find out what they look like) they're getting their skulls caved in.[/quote']

why ??(

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chuck norris can get McDonalds breakfast after 10:30 - jack bauer can get in the queue....

i think Rob got it spot on - why were junkies allowed to care for a three year old?>!

disgraceful. but then again removing a child from it's perental home brings it's own problems.

worked in B&Q for about 3 years, left garthdee store in '99. mostly good managers some of whom still say hi to me in the store. The odd wanker as in any business but in the most part, the staff were ace and everyone had a good laugh.

good old days.