Rob Karloff

Contracts are only worthwhile if you have the money and time to pursue them legally.

And chances are any medium to small sized venue will laugh down the phone at you when you mention the word.

Without being overly sceptical, we've had "guarantees" broken before. Always have a backup plan, because being someplace far away with a band and a load of gear and having no money to get home sux.

Originally posted by Bradley:

Getting paid by promoters/venues surprisingly.

In theory, yes.

But be prepared for occasions where turnout is low and they tell you they haven't made any/enough cash to pay out. Hell, we played a gig in Stirling once, and due to various events, it ended up being in this pub that they couldn't charge on the door at, so they had to go round with buckets and ask for donations for the bands. We got about 9 in small change.

Watch it... He'll raze your Church to the ground!!

Yes, yes... But are they headlining?

Seriously though, good effort Bradley. Out of all the would-be "managers" I've seen thus far involved with Aberdeen bands, you've done the most managing. Booking such a tour is no mean feat, regardless of venue size or importance.

Feck.

We'll be in the same boat as the Atomic ones then

*shudder*

The Lemon Tree rotas their staff usually. Fi is her name, and she rawks. But she likes Bon Jovi.... Or is it Def Leppard....? Still, no-one's perfect, but her sound control is!

Originally posted by The Ghost Of Fudge:

no doubt. but i took nae photos. i love u xxx

I wuv wu too

But that still doesn't excuse your complete lack of ability to organise some photos from an event months ago

I'm genuinely surprised you can feed and clothe yourself!

Originally posted by The Ghost Of Fudge:

indeed, but as you well know, i have better things to do

Christ, Fudge!

Sure if you gave them to Neil he'd do it and even put them in their own little gallery of Fudgeness.

Forn the answer to all your questions, go watch and listen to Ministry.

2 drummers. Part "real" kits, part synth drums, part triggers.

And a drum machine too.

You can stand and watch the two drummers be totally co-ordinated in awe. Anyone who saw them on the Radio 1 stage at Download last year knows what I mean.

Re: Re: Re: Ugly

Originally posted by Flash@TMB:

In all seriousness I was once again dissapointed by the lack of hostpitality in my home town. The members of both touring bands were really nice people (if I was a girl I'd probably use the terms 'sweet' and 'lovely'). They were mid-way through a tour and Breed 77's single had just entered the Top 40. Prior to being rescued, they had been forced to resort to a bag of chips and some carry out beers at the Travel Lodge. They didn't even get the chance to crack open their bottle of champagne at the end of the gig as they were unceremoniously slung out the back door. There's a wrangness in there somewhere

I know *what* you're trying to say, but I also know that you know how bigger venues with scheduled clubnights and curfews have to work. I'm sure Ian or Paul will comment themselves. Yes, it all sounds pretty un-welcoming, but I guess it would have been their tour booking agent's responsibility to ensure they were fed and watered properly as part of the booking, along with riders and suchlike. We had the exact same thing on our UK tour with Demented Are Go back in October. As soon as the last note stopped, off the stage with the gear into the tourbus, and on with the rest of the night with the club. We also found ourselves living off our own cash, meaning chips and sauce and whatever was left of the rider (although usually we had the tour manager buy us more booze). It's tough given that they had something good to celebrate and had come a long way, but that's life. As a band, you need to know the beast before you decide to get in the cage with it!

Re: Ugly

Originally posted by Flash@TMB:

And, hopefully they've jumped to the conclusion that it might be better to stage the next gig closer to the harbour, where the drink is better and cheaper and you don't get thrown out to make way for some shite club night.

That was a really dumbass comment to make....

Originally posted by The Ghost Of Fudge:

plus!

contra tbc, radio lucifer and small enclosed area tbc.

We get to bleed all over Contra AND Radio Luxembourg....? 8o

Mind you, Gerold Contra doesn't wash these days anyway, so no probs for him!

If we do the gig, that is...

Someone with two hands...?

The June 5th date was pulled by the promoters. Look for us to do a gig with them later in the year, and maybe other DAG/Klingonz support news. We also have some Liverpool/Manchester potential gigs, stay tuned.

I'm giving nothing away on the new CD... Good things come to those who wait. Might provide an MP3 snippet on the website at some point though, maybe once we've finished the recording side of things.

No gig blocks in effect here, then.....!

Just listening to the un-finished, un-mixed or mastered first cut CD and it sounds BITCHIN.

Pretty much, yep.

Strange thing is, the ladies love him even more with his face on and hair up!

THURS 22ND - LONE PIGEON, PIP DYLAN, 8PM, 5

who is this Long Pigeon bloke? Know the Beta Band?Anyway, the band's

co-founder and co-writer, Gordon Anderson, never really got to take part in

the Beta Band's success because he had to return to Scotland for health

reasons. So, a few years back, he started doing his own thing and dubbed

himself Lone Pigeon. (The Beta Band's original name was the Pigeons.) In

2001, Lone Pigeon released the Touched by Tomoko EP and in 2002, Concubine

Rice on Domino Records. Both albums garnered substantial critical acclaim.

His songwriting touches on an ancient, almost medievil style. Lone Pigeons

melancholic approach creates a natural yearning content, which any lover of

good songs should find irresistable. You will hear faint strains of 60's era

songwriting in there; think Fred Niel, Dylan, George Harrison and Barret.

Anyway, he's coming to promote his new album 'Schoozzzmmi' and I personally

think this will be a must see gig for anyone interested in good music.

His twin bro' Pip Dylan will also be playing a set of his own brand of

acoustic folk. With references to Bert Jansch, John Renbourn and Jim

O'Rourke, Pip approaches songwriting with sincerity, and guitar playing with

shameless flare.

As if that wasn't enough to have you all chompin' at the bit, our very own

Ziggy Fantastic (Staccato Set) will be departing from his usual Open Mic set

to play a set of harrowing originals. www.lonepigeon.co.uk

FRI 23RD - THE SCARAMANGA SIX, DEAD OR AMERICAN, 7 STONE UNDER & THE BAND

FROM UNCLE, 8PM, 3.50

SCARAMANGA SIX (leeds based eerie alt rock signed to WRATH RECORDS), DEAD OR

AMERICAN(excellent jaggy alt rock from stirling, one of the best unsigned

bands in scotland), THE BAND FROM U.N.C.L.E.(hard rock from The Broch), 7

STONE UNDER (intense grunge influenced rock) www.thescaramangasix.co.uk

SAT 24TH - ARIEL X, TRICKY NIXON & SUPPORT, 8PM, 4

angst-tinged sleaze from Fierce Panda signings Tricky Nixon plus energetic

sample based rock from Ariel X. check out www.trickynixon.co.uk

www.ariel-x.com for info and sounds

SUN 25TH - LIVE JAZZ, 8PM, FREE

chill out with Bug & friends

MON 26TH - SUCIOPERRO, XS RELOCAT & SUPPORT, 8PM, 3.50

melodic, spiralling alt rock and angular riffery from Sucioperro.

incidentally Simon Neil (Biffy) provided guest vocals on three songs,

'hangover', 'love in the guise of friendship' and 'capable of more' on their

EP - 'why bliss destroy'. Check out www.sucioperro.com for more information

TUES 27TH - ACOUSTIC OPEN MIC HOSTED BY STEVE CRAWFORD, 8PM, FREE

WED 28TH - MEFM BENEFIT GIG, 8PM, 3

local radio fundraiser with THE TITANICS, THE LITTLE KICKS, SIVARA, PAUL

TASKER, FIONA KEENAN AND SANDY GALLOWAY, plus dj DEL FRANKLIN

THURS 29TH - 'MISCHIEF' CLUBNIGHT, 9-2AM, FREE ENTRY

funky big beat and techno provided by djs Andy T and Luke Garden.

FRI 30TH - AUDIO DROPOUTS featuring SIDCA, THE BAND FROM UNCLE AND THE

DIURETICS, 8PM, 3

Audio Dropouts this month presents a month of musical terrorism....also

dj'ing from Shawn and Neish of Eric Euan

Regards,

The Doctor.

Originally posted by psydoll:

Huzzah! Does Moshulu encourage blood-letting or is it wholly frowned upon to cover the back room in a thin film of guts and gore?

Hmmm.....

Originally posted by andysoa:

hoy im not 12 im 21

i just look young.

hahahah

aye looking forward to 2nd

cheers kirk.

Every horror punk band has to have it's pin-up member....

We have Mant

Originally posted by imprinted:

cool! the higher end ltd's seem to have a good reputation - where did you get your from rob?

was it from aberdeen or did you go somewhere else to get it (and if so do they have a website!?)

I bought mine in the USA in Oct 2001 for $450. I'd recommend going straight to the UK importers Selectron (they import EMGs too), should get a good price. Try http://www.espguitars.co.uk/

Originally posted by imprinted:

what about esp's/esp ltd's? anyone in aberdeen using one of them? apart from my friend?

Yep, me. ESP Ltd Viper 301.

It has neck thru body construction, is made of good quality mahogany (great sustain and tone), nice abalone flag fret inlays, jumbo frets (24 of them), good quality hardware and tuners, and a set of EMG HZ pickups that sound decent enough (they are basically EMG 81s without the pre-amp). Costs about 450 I think.

Thoroughly recommend them, the Pro series ones are more expensive, but spot-on if you want a serious spec guitar for around 1000.

But see with that 0 and 1...?

Us folks can make ANY number you want. It just takes us a few more of them than it does for you decimal oriented, carbon-based beings.