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Shael Riley, Monzy, Beefy > MC Hawking And MC Hawkings best song is "Rock Out With Your Hawk Out" These are facts.

This holiday season I have read: The Land Where The Blues Began by Alan Lomax Stamping Butterflies by Jon Courtenay Grimwood A Tale Of Two Cities by Charles Dickens and I am currently reading: Pattern Recognition by William Gibson

You don't have to say something for it to disseminate. It's such a big part of our society that its implicit since birth and we grow up accepting it. The same way we acquire non verbal communication skills.

the idea that science can solve everything *goes back under bridge*

Go watch the episode of south park about mormons.

Darwin didn't have trouble reconciling his beliefs with his research, he put off making his research known because of the political climate at the time and because he knew the trouble it would cause. I recommend this book. As you can imagine, Darwin appears in it a lot. But chapter 7 is the main one you will want to read for more background on his opinions on his theories. [chapter entitled: "The Warfare Merchants: The roots of modern science (4) - Darwin, Evolution and the Victorian Conflict Thsis"] "Here then I had at last got a theory by which to work; but I was so anxious to avoid prejudice, that I determined not for some time to write even the briefest sketch of it." - Darwin You'll notice he didn't say "anxious to avoid trying to reconcile this with my religious beliefs." If you don't know about the history of the 'conflict' between science and the bible and you haven't read the bible then what are you basing your opinions on? What other people have told you? Did you check the facts relating to what they told you? If not then you aren't being very scientific, you are just believing propaganda because if there really IS a conflict between religion and science then they have been putting out misinformation and lies about each other to try and discredit each other and sway public opinion. A lot of people say that religion is used as a crutch for weak people, but in the current climate I think it takes a lot of balls to hold a religious belief and state it publicly because so many 'enlightened' children of science take such joy in attacking and making fun of anyone who doesn't agree with their paradigm. The bible is the most important book written ever. It influences every aspect of our lives every day. Our entire system of ethics, enshrined in the laws of the land, are built upon what the bible says and you haven't read it. It's quite literally the foundation of our civilization. It is still the biggest force in shaping the world today, especially since the neocons got into power in America and have tried to turn the world into a christian vs muslim thing. But before we can take this discussion I think we need to try and define what we mean by God, because it's obvious we have different ideas. When I think of God i think of a being with an ability to change everything and anything, we exist only due to his continued will and the laws of physics, universal constants, anything that has or will ever exist can be changed by him at will in the past, present or future. He can do anything....so why couldn't he make it appear that the world was older than it is? I just said in my definition of God that he could do ANYTHING so he MUST be able to do it. The analogy I put forward of the saved game is just meant to give you a general flavour for the idea. Like all metaphors it can be pushed too far. The point I was making is that if you don't see the start of something (eg. the start of the universe/start of a game) then you can't draw definitive conclusions about it when you have the possibility of getting to the exact same moment in that system from different starting points. I shall try again - you are walking on a road that forks off in two directions over the horizon. You meet a man walking the other way...can you tell which fork of the road he came from? He could have come from fork A or fork B and you would be in exactly the same position in space and time either way. So lacking any other information you can't decide where he came from. So either the world could be billions of years old or it could have been designed by God 6,000 years ago to appear to be billions of years old. [ Edit: Fixing some spellings and stuff ]

Basic stuff... The first 5 books of the bible are all written by Moses.* (they are called the Pentateuch in the Tanakh [jewish] or The books of Moses in the Old Testament [christian]). In these books Moses basically writes down what God tells him to. Which not only explain why Moses was able to write about the beginning of the universe etc... when he wasn't there but also that he was able to write about his own death before it occured. This method (God telling people what to write) is basically how the whole bible was written. [*Actually biblical scholars (scientist types) think they were written by 4 different authors. This makes sense because for example stories are told twice (the creation of man for example). One writer calls God "Elohim" and another writer calls him "YHWH", one author is more concerned about religious law and matters of the church [which makes for a very boring book by the way. Avoid te second half of Exous and most of the 3rd book...unless you want detailed descriptions on how to build a tabernacle] and the last writer wrote Deuteronomy. I highly recommend this course on the old testament ] It doesn't do this at all. The majority of 'natural philosphers' who began the modern scientific revelution held (often strong) religious beliefs and didn't have any trouble reconciling their beliefs with their research. Whats to say he didn't just design the world in 6 days to make it look like it was millions of years old and then start it there. Example: I tell you I am going to win the London marathon, but no one is allowed to look until the last 100 metres of the track. If i just jogged on the spot until i was all sweaty and tired and then ran the last 200 metres of the track. You open your eyes and see me running the last 100 metres while sweaty and tired. If i manage to think of every way that you can test to see whether i actually ran(eg. I tamper with security cameras along the route to show me running past them, I run a mile every day for 26 days to wear the soles of my shoes down 26 miles worth etc...) then can you say for certain whether I ran the race? God could have just 'set up' the universe to look like it was billions of years old. Like loading a game from your memory card...if you load from a save point half way through the level then someone walks in to the room...how do they know you haven't been playing from the start of the game? hot chocolate time. please ignore all spelling and grammatical errors...i spent enough time writing this and I can't be bothered checking it properly (sorry).

I'm not entirely convinced it matters whether or not there is a God. If there is He seems to pretty much leave us to it so lets just all be friends. *group hug*

'Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide'. It's a show on Nickelodeon also: Tia Mowrey is from 'Sister, Sister' (at least that's where I know her from) and Vincent Martella is from 'Everybody Hates Chris'. Malcolm David Kelley (they spelled his name wrong) is from Lost.

Which version were you reading? As I understand it the older translations are not nearly as good as the one I read, which was a new translation. I read this one.

I assure you that even if I had not just come out of the shower, I would still be wet. Legendo!

I wanted a job in a bookshop, until on thursday I was in waterstones (in edinburgh) and was in the downstairs section and saw two of the worst customers ever. The first was a guy phoning to complain (he was basically just shouting) at the poor girl that worked there because the publisher of a book had pushed back the date of publication, like there is anything she can do about it. And she told him there was nothing she could do about it and that he should phone the publisher but in the end she had to get a manager on the phone to speak to him. Then, some lady that was buying a dictionary and taking herself waaay too seriously started going nuts because the chairs had arms on them and she apparently couldn't sit down and open the book at the same time. She kept saying "I sit down and I'm trapped!" and "Buying a dictionary is a very serious business" and telling the girl (same girl) that if she ever gets a chance to buy some new chairs she should buy ones without arms...and this complaining went on for like 5 minutes! It seems to have lost something in the process of being written down. It was far more irritating in real life than I have managed to describe it. And to get the thread back on topic: I'm still reading the bible, but i took a short break and read 'The Music Of The Primes' by Marcus du sautoy and 'The Millenium Problems' by Keith Devlin In the bible I am currently at the first book of Samuel. David has just owned Goliath.

it doesn't have a number 38.

because you can pretend to be cowboys (and cowgirls ...cowpersons sounds like a horrible genetic experiment gone awry.) "howdy partner!"

how do you go to start>run if the toolbar process hasn't automatically restarted?

At the moment: 1. Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes 2. Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes 3. The Baroque Cycle by Neal Stephenson 4. Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson 5. Everything William Gibson has ever written (Except the difference engine...ugh) 6. Catch-22 by Joseph Heller 7. Great Expectations by Charles Dickens 8. The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 9. Battle Royale by Crazy McJapaneseguy 10. The Dice Man by Luke Rhinehart I cheated a bit. and put one book in twice, but its really really good. Also, if the bible keeps rocking then i shall probably put that in there somewhere when im done.

oh god, i opened 2 at once. it was terrifying. i've been spinning for 6 mins. i hate it.

Strange, that article says 20,000 of damage but the original one said 60,000 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6077464.stm - Original Article Glad he's been caught though, public transport is bad enough already.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23373879-details/Video:+Rocket+man+injured+firing+firework+from+his+bottom/article.do crappy low quality video of the incident

remind of this article from yesterday: http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1655082006 dumbass.

God's 'The Bible' It's pretty good.

Not on this site you don't. We don't want any part of that.

That must be so rank when he gets a cold.