Neil

AberdeenEvents

Thanks, pity there isn't actually any venue information on that web site though.

Will you be including the AECC and other big venues like, ermm, the P&J Arena so folks can add big tours as well as smaller shows?

Yup, of course.

Cool, cheers.

Tiger Tiger have bands playing?

Neil, just so you're aware - Dr Drakes unfortunately had to shut down.

Yes, yes, very funny.

Thanks peeps! Keep 'em coming.

P.S. And to demonstrate how out of touch I am now - I had no idea Moshulu had become Warehouse.

In the coming weeks a new event calendar system will be put in place that will ultimately replace the calendar we currently have on the web site. In preparation for putting this new system live I'm trying to pre-populate it with information on every venue\club\pub that hosts live music in and around the Aberdeen area.

As I left Aberdeen in April 2008 my knowledge of the local venue landscape has become somewhat diminished and so to ensure I don't miss any one venue could you please all reply to this post with (ideally) the name, address and link to the relevant web site of any venue you can think of in and around Aberdeen.

The new system will allow people to enter the details of new and renamed venues as time goes on but it would be great if we can get everything in there to start with so people can quickly start posting their events into the new system.

Many thanks!

Apologies if you've seen this already, but some info on the Denburn exchange and who you can sign-up with to provide you with broadband from it: SamKnows Broadband - Availability - Aberdeen Denburn (NSDEN) Exchange

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I was (un)fortunately up in Aberdeen for work last Friday and decided to pop in before I got my train back down south, I too was rather underwhelmed by it all. I know there is a recession on and all but it looks like half the units in the place are still empty, despite trying to disguise this fact with flashy advertising boards. I can't really see what Aberdeen has gained aside from a Cult Clothing, Yo Shushi and Apple store. It looks like everything else can be found elsewhere within the city.

I appreciate the tarted up train station though, but what the hell was the thinking behind moving the taxi rank to the inside of the College Street car park!?

I'm counting down the mintues till Ewan Robb contacts me to have this thread removed.

Lloyds TSB don't currently charge me for having an authorised overdaft aside from interest (1.45% a month).

Do I have to have "Wirelessly posted (SonyEricssonK770i/R8BC Browser/NetFront/3.3 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)" splattered across the top of all my posts everytime I post using my mobile? I'm sure no-one gives a shit what medium I use to post and what software my phone has, and it just looks wank

Yes, because I want to know who is wirelessly posting and what devices they are using. It helps make me make better informed decisions on what software we should use to provide this kind of access to the forums.

I believe the USAF 747s are usually used for mid-air refuelling purposes.

Let's be fair though, Aberdeen does have some huge seagulls flying about. That's got to count for something.

I'll be quite satisfied if England can make it to the Quarter Finals. I think they currently have the best manager since Robson and if certain members of the squad can stay fit (and get fit) for the tournament then they will have every chance of making a good run.

The English media will build things up to soon expect the World Cup on a plate, but then that's the way it always is. It never fails to wind up everyone up here so I don't mind.

What's interesting to me at the moment is the number of high quality teams that might not even qualify for the competition. The likes of France, Portugal, Argentina and the Czech Republic are all struggling just to qualify.

So what's suddenly happened since the release then?

Arms trade deals. But you didn't read that here...

It's not a hard concept at all, I just don't think it's a very informed one and makes little sense as an argument. 'cows as crops' okay. 'slaves as products'...this isn't a viable argument. What are you getting at? Cows are bred as food, slaves were 'bred' as slaves (and still are in some parts of the world), it doesn't make it right to support either though - doing so just provides the demand which it requires to continue.

Then what do you suggest? We should just stop farming cows and slowly make them extinct by preventing them from re-producing?

I don't understand your argument. Cows, as we know them today, would not exist if it was not for the interference of man. A "slave" is not another species. It's still a human being. An individual might be forced into the life of a "slave" from a very early age, but that's completely different and not a fair comparison.

The cow has evolved in order to farmed by man. This is not something it is forced into - quite the opposite. If it was left to its own devices and not cared for by man then it simply wouldn't survive. This is what I'm trying to get across.

Cows are creatures with desires and a life which fares experientialy better or worse for the cow whose life it is, just like humans. To say this just means we should be nice to them before ending their lives, or whilst denying them the freedom their natural desires would give us a similar argument for doing so the mentally impaired. I know you hate that argument, but it's a very relevant analogy.

This is a silly comparison. A cow does not have "desires". It has instinct and that's about it. It certainly doesn't have a desire for freedom (try leaving a gate open to a field full of cows - you won't find them suddenly stampeding out mooing "Freedom!" You'll be lucky if then even notice you've opened it).

And if the were to be given freedom then they would likely die. Cows need people way more than people need cows.

Yup, awesome gig. Oceansize were pretty decent as well despite the short set. Looks like their singer was getting right wound up by someone near the front of the stage on the left though?

Cows are beefy crops, simple as that. I'm all for them being treated well and fairly while they are alive, but they are bred for the purpose of being food, and food they shall become.

Exactly. Or if not food, we'll at least keep them for milking and/or breeding.

I think it is worth reminding people that all domesticated animals would struggle to survive without some degree of human care and supervision. So for those of you who would like to see an end of farming cattle then you would be also be inadvertently denying their right to survive as a species. Is that moral?

Morally they deserve the same right of preference utilitarianism that we enjoy. That is that they deserve not to suffer because by definition, suffering entails a preference for it to end.

What exactly is your argument here? Are you saying you're happy for animals to be killed as long as they don't suffer? So you're happy for them to still be murdered as long as it is done "humanely ? Or are you suggesting that they shouldn't be murdered or "farmed" at all? Because if it's the latter then you're denying their right to exist as they wouldn't exist if it wasn't for our "farming" of them over the last few thousand of years.

We have to think morally, not genetically.

Morals exist to support our biological imperatives. Dont kid yourself and think theyre separate.

If I used the same argument for murder or slavery:

"Humans are tasty and I'm going to keep eating them. Lots of them. And I'm going to keep drinking their blood. I don't care how they're slaughtered."

If you don't care about suffering then get out of the animal AND human rights debate.

You'll notice that there isn't any actually argument here, instead just a statement that you are utterly fundamentalist in this matter.

You obviously didn't read the last paragraph in my original post then.

I assume then that you believe that cows, sheep and indeed, any animal should be given the equal rights to a human being then?

Like I said, if you don't want to talk seriously about this then shut the fuck up.

Thanks for your constructive response to my argument.