punks unite?

[The Milner]

As such beliefs are of great importance - have shaped punk' date=' then those whose views conflict with these would not be welcome. For example individuals who hold with right wing or christian belief, those who seek to promote sexism and homophobia, and so on. Without leftist/anti-authoritarian views? Of course such people are welcome. So long as they do not seek to promote opinion that runs contrary with a seeking of social justice and equality.[/quote']

fair enough thanks.

[Guest highroller]

i would consider violent protest if i though it would work....i think people take so much shit from the state we are morally entitled to fight back with force if we knew it might change things for the better.....but sadly history shows the system always wins

you serious. not having a go just wondering if youre serious?

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

It is a fact the leftist/anti-authoritarian opinion is central to the beliefs held by the punk community.

That was contradicted by the links I gave you to sites belonging to facist punk bands.

The "punk community" doesn't really seem to exist, although I won't deny that there are pockets of punk subcultures and it seems to be the case, thankfully, that the majority do hold leftist/anti-authoritarian. Which is cool, really. But it's not a case of punks: good, world:bad.

[Guest allsystemsfail]

its hard for me to be political when I dont actually beleive in democracy

i have never voted ..... not from apathy or laziness.....there is nothing I beleive in out there

i dont know what the alternative is .....but there must be one and Im waiting for it

i would consider violent protest if i though it would work....i think people take so much shit from the state we are morally entitled to fight back with force if we knew it might change things for the better.....but sadly history shows the system always wins

I basically oppose democracy as it is essentialy now a vehicle for capitalists' date=' ran my corporations with their own agendas and is in the hands of corrupted governments...its fucked up basically

No politician or leader has ever said anything I can relate to

So therefor Im not involved in politics in any way

occasionally I do something on a protest basis....like last year I (and a pal) organised the Anti War Gig at Drummonds ..... but made it very clear that it was not a political event that could be hi-jacked by anyone with a part related cause or flag to wave....it was simply anti Blair/Bush and War in general......the socialist workers party tried to get in on it as sponsors, but we kept them at a distance as it would have compromised the simple non-aligned to anything message....it worked....we won a lot of people over at a time when most people were quite pro-war (during all WMD hype etc)

Ive also played at, roadied at, and done the sound/lights at (all for free) some anti NF gigs and one highly entertaining Gay rights gig. all in England btw. If there wasnt a protest involved I wouldnt have done any of them.

Thats about it really. Apart from delivering leaflets for my mum when she was in the Labour party. A woman in a posh house set two German Shepards on me for posting non-tory propaganda and I ended up in hospital with a chewed arm. My mum legally retaliated by ensuring the dogs were killed. So there is some social justice. I feel sorry for the dogs but they were sacrified in a way that taught the Tory woman she could not get away with assuming she could just shit on other people and get away with it. They should have shot her too.

But I have no problemo with anyone being politically active and kind of admire it (when its not right wing).....but still obviously fail to connect politics and punk rock in the same way other people do....probably cos I enjoy punk rock and hate politics[/quote']

Like you, I also don't hold with representative democracy. It's function (as you've correctly observed) is but to serve the interests of the established order. The alternative? Have you considered anarchist politics?

[Guest allsystemsfail]

That was contradicted by the links I gave you to sites belonging to facist punk bands.

The "punk community" doesn't really seem to exist' date=' although I won't deny that there are pockets of punk subcultures and it seems to be the case, thankfully, that the majority do hold leftist/anti-authoritarian. Which is cool, really. But it's not a case of punks: good, world:bad.[/quote']

I'm sorry, but no contradiction exists. Such far right outfits are few. Those who have sought to organise in the punk community, have been met with violence.

The punk community does indeed exist with a thriving global network - folks across the world working together in a common purpose - arranging shows, running distros and labels, producing zines, running show spaces, putting together bands, trading tapes... Recommend you check out MAXIMUMROCKNROLL at http://www.maximumrocknroll.com or pick up a copy of the zine at most indie record stores.

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

I'm sorry' date=' but no contradiction exists. Such far right outfits are few. Those who have sought to organise in the punk community, have been met with violence.

The punk community does indeed exist with a thriving global network - folks across the world working together in a common purpose - arranging shows, running distros and labels, producing zines, running show spaces, putting together bands, trading tapes... Recommend you check out MAXIMUMROCKNROLL at [url']http://www.maximumrocknroll.com or pick up a copy of the zine at most indie record stores.

Will do. I'm glad we were able to debate and discuss some slightly opposing views about this civily. Genuinely appreciated.