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I wouldn't care. If I can get past Frenchmen chanting "Rouge!" and pointing at my head, I'm sure Chinese people wont care about this.

at the risk of causing anyone offence or confusion, we're looking for 'local' bands

Not "at the risk of causing offence or confusion, the black tooth wont actually be fighting a group of autistic kids as the poster may suggest"?

I'm surprised he wasn't too busy pissing on girls that wouldn't sleep with him again, that was pretty 'scene' last year wasn't it.

Exactly! Fucking prick. Smashed a bottle of Jagermeister over her head and pissed on her. And then the cheeky cunt asks Jagermeister to sponser their last tour. Cunt. Fucking cunt.

I went to see the Chariot support them at the tunnels. Would have loved to stay for BMTH just so I could smack their bastard of a lead singer.

the guy who sings for copy haho has a pleasant scottish accent. i don't know wha it is though.

Stonehaven, the greatest town in the greatest country in the world.

Bite the pillow, its going in dry.

i love reading posts by people like you, people who can easliy sit there and spout off this moral high ground nonsense. Im pretty damm sure 99% of bands who are full time need to make a decent living and make sure they have enough to grow old on "artistic integrity" only exists when youve got no real chance of making something of your band. (this isnt a personal dig as such btw just a generalisation)

What a heap of shite.

Thats completely wrong. You can still make a decent living on music without whoring out and changing your music to appeal to the masses. And there are plenty of bands who decline being a "full time" band as a career, purely for the reason that they'd have to change their music completely.

Having your band as your living should come around from people liking the music you made, not you making music specifically to sell cd's and tickets.

Substitute your comments re: Poles to Pakistanis or Indians 40 years ago and your comments mirror Enoch Powels.

And Eric Clapton for some reason.

Enoch Powell is largely misquoted and taken out of context.

Eric Clapton claimed it was because a foreigner grabbed his wifes ass at a party, and that he was hammered.

And to MrBrown, you realise this countrys economy is completely reliant on the influx of immigrants to sustain jobs, you xenophobic fuck.

Maybe non middle class people don't make shitty generic music?

The class system died in the battle of the somme.

Get with the program.

Biffy are professional musicians, it's their job, ergo they can't sell out. If they change their material to appeal to a broader market, it's economic good sense. They'd be stupid if they released stuff that everybody hated.

Selling out...the last resort of the untalented, the amatuer, the purveyor of outdated 19th century political thought and the child.

Yes but music isnt meant to be about good economic sense is it? Its about making what music you want to, not to cater for popular demand.

If every band were to follow this system of "good economic sense" then we'd all be different shades of grey.

Selling out does exist. They have traded their artistic integrity to make money.

Yesterday I bought:

Animal Colelctive - Strawberry Jam

Fleet Foxes - s/t

Neutral Milk Hotel - In the aeroplane over the sea

Fleet foxes are horrendously overrated.

Strawberry Jam is one of my favourite albums of the year.

That and the Jaguar Love Album. Its fucking incredible.

How is that? By forming one of the greatest bands of all time?

Nah. All his music is shit IMO

That is really manky.

Well, my bad habit is I drink from milk cartons. So its a natural progression that I'd smoke out of one.*

*May or may not appear logical

Somewhere that sells bits and bobs relating to the consumption of recreational drugs.

Ah right. And he's asking about this on a public forum?

Just do what I do man, water, rubber pipe, milk carton and scissors=amazing bong. If thats what yer looking for.

what the fuck is a head shop?

If you protest against earning money and playing your music to people who like your music you're a bit of an idiot to be fair.

The arguement was that you're "selling out" if you take part in what you protested about in the first place.

Not "you're an idiot if you are against playing music to people"

Or you could view it as they're spreading their views to a larger audience. Biggest example of that in recent times would be Anti-Flag.

No. It's just outright hypocrisy.

i'll give you 200.

I see your 200 and raise you 300

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play the tune "if you can't beat em"

this pretty much illustrates why you don't need naff compression tricks to make a "stomping dancefloor banger", and that even in a tune of this type you need a bit of subtlety in how you approach the mix.

Can you produce our up and coming set of demos, Stripey?

Me (when I was 15)

Ronald MacDonald

It makes my head hurt and I think it's a pretty good example of music made for specific purpose (grind your face into submission in big dance halls) as opposed to music made for listening.

It's exciting music. Music that makes you want to move. Music that makes you feel something. Probably why you aren't that into it.

Yeah, I certainly don't claim to understand it - most of the stuff I make remains unfinished because I'm so reluctant to enter this master compression process which is, for me, such a drain on creativity. The stuff I've been working on really recently I've just been trying to mix well; record things at decent, stanardised levels and think hard about depth perspective of each component, and also consider what I want in the song and where exactly it fits. As a result I've found myself using less compression, but historically, yeah I have been mindlessly squeezing all hell out most of my stuff.

I must say, I do hate the idea of standardised over-compression and any guilt of this on my part is more due to a desire to learn compression thoroughly before discarding it, as opposed to thinking it necessarily improves my music. I think a balanced mix with discretion exercised over sound placement will always win over pumped up Kylie remixes:

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yeah man, mstrkrft are fucking awesome.

Thing is though, sometimes stupidly broad scottish accents come from whos influenced you and not an attempt to sell out.

I myself fell victim to this, not ages ago a heavy scottish accent started creeping into my songs; not as an attempt to "cash in" but because I happened to be listening to a lot of Arab Strap, Sons and Daughters, Xcerts and Woomble. All of them have broad scottish accents.

Sometimes you unintentionally rip off your favourite bands chord progressions or riffs, i dont see why it isnt entirely possible to do that with accents.

don't see the new album as them "selling out" either, still sounds like biffy to me and its got some great tracks on it although blackened sky remains their best work imo.

How can they not be selling out? They were quoted to say they have now started making music to purely generate cash.

i actually came on to start a similar thread. Yeah I am devastated.

Because I actually dont mind good indie/pop music, I have nothing against it however; biffys appeal to me were the fact they felt like my wee band with the strange song structures and time changes and things, the outsiders outsider.

I would have probably liked Biffy if they started off as a stadium rock band, but they didnt, they changed the music the made, and it seems like they did so purely to sell more tickets and CD's.

i've not given it a great deal of thought. just picked up on your broad brush approach and thought i'd see what it stems from.

I think Stripey has a point, though. Those are the only apparent traits with this group of people, and even if its not the ideals of all of them, it probably was by the people who kick started this whole "hipster" movement.