Stripey

described as around 20 years old, was listening to music through headphones.

this is what happens when you wear an ipod.

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what is it that you find so interesting about that scene exactly?

Yes, I can imagine you enjoying the potting shed scene.

Actually the main message of the film is what stuck in my mind, I watched it when I was in secondary school and didn't see much difference between the tactics of the warders in Scum and how my school was run, and also the way that the prisoners willingly submitted to their "authority" despite outnumbering and in some cases outwitting the neanderthals in charge. It is brilliant allegory, not just for the pissed off schoolkid but also the pissed off adult.

On the other hand, there will always be people like you who just watch films for the fight/rape scenes,

I watched it last night. Whilst I'm glad I did watch it, I certainly did not enjoy it. It is one of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen.

Grim isn't it, I think it's the best anti-war film I've seen though and should be required viewing for everyone, especially the naive video-game generation who think war is a barrel of laughs, or even the people in the military who drop bombs on people from 30,000 feet or fire missiles from a drone literally controlled by a joystick from an office in the USA who are totally detached from the realities of what they are doing. Some of the scenes had me imagining the sheer terror of what it must have felt like to be a civilian in Belgrade, Dresden or Baghdad when the bombs started falling, letalone Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The fact the conflict starts in Iran really hits home the importance and relevance of the message when you look at whats going on in the news headlines today aswell. People were crapping themselves about nuclear war in the 1980's but now we've got political commentators actively calling for the first-strike use of nuclear weapons against Iran and nobody gives a shit.

There is an american film from around the same time called "The Day After" and it doesn't even come close to threads in its realism. I watched "The War Game" after threads and it was a bit of a relief frankly because the 1965 sensibilities and production values made it a bit more light hearted, even though it's still quite a grim film.

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Alan Clarkes "Scum", another classic british film, it had a huge impact on me the first time I saw it as a kid.

What is that?

It's an old german tuner, you choose the note with the bit at the top and blow into it to generate the tone.

Everyone knows that the most important aspect of any musical instrument is what it looks like. For example, here is a track I was working on the other day, fucking cool isn't it?

That seems a lot of hassle to go to to target one guy, I thought they usually just sent out huge volumes of generic emails to thousands of email addresses picked up off the web.

They write automated spiders to trawl sites intelligently and collect info, infact they will pay coders (often eastern europeans heh) to write bots to target specific sites.

Just been reading about this elsewhere.

You would think they might realise that the ferocity of their reaction only serves to confirm that there is something they want to keep hidden?

Agreed, seems an odd thing to make up, leak to the press with attribution just to face 5 years of disciplinary proceedings...

So you know all about me do you? You have an inside knowledge of the video games and consoles on which I allow my son to play games? You know all about the times I say no and also the things on which I deliberate deeply over knowing that his peers are playing or watching, yet I say no, and he respects me for it (eventually)? You have no idea about me ,or I assume, being a parent, judging and gauging a child's intellectual growth and understanding of the world around them, the daily and tricky moral dilemma's of being the parent! Do not make judgements on my, and others parenting, based on your skewed version of society you hypocrite. You have spouted numerous times in this forum about ,presumed, ill judged assumptions we (other and not you) can be prone too yet you have succumbed to that which you say you detest. I know for a fact that my son probably would want to stick a fucking pencil in your eye you 'jumped better than everyone else twat'. But that is not the kind of behaviour or language we allow, or condone, in this house.

As I said, I wouldn't dream of taking a child to see that violent, soul destroying trash - and the decent people I know who have kids of that age themselves wouldn't dream of it either. Maybe you just don't know any better yourself eh? Maybe if you didn't expose your kid to violent computer games and films like batman he wouldn't have the urge to "stick a fucking pencil" in someones eye. I guess that just comes from the wonderful family values you're passing onto him eh?

My son is 11 and I will be the judge of what I think he can watch and understand as pure fantasy and mere entertainment. An understanding he clearly has in spades more than you!

I am in no way ashamed and will not have a pretentious nonce like you tell me otherwise.

No reply needed!

I was driven to this response as the jumped up Daily Mail nature of his posts lately are tiresome and intellectually beneath anything we should rise to.

When is he moving?

Yeah well if you think it's a good idea to let your 11 year old kid watch a film that glorifies violence, executions, crime and retribution as a form of entertainment, fair enough. Then again you yourself own a fucking playstation 3 innit, so god knows what kind of socially reprehensible values your kid is being indoctrinated with whilst in your care, when his dad spends his off hours playing GTA or some hideously violent FPS game.

Spare me the pious "how daer u" bullshit, if you "will be the judge" of what your son can watch and understand then maybe you should think a bit harder about what you expose him to.

Oh here's my stuff:

you should clean that white guitar it looks like some ned toy has tagged it.

incase any of you twits doubt me, I do actually own this, and I took this picture.

I need to add aswell that I think Threads sets a standard for political film-making that really hasn't been bettered in the 24 years since it was shown on tv. It's brutal, frank, and unapologetic in a way that you just simply will never see in film today due to the way the industry works.

Never seen it. But I suspect I may appreciate it as I rate the writer, obviously.

Threads is a film everyone who grew up in the 80's ought to be able to identify with, I vaguely remembered seeing a bit of it or hearing mention of it as a kid, so I bought a copy quite recently (along with several other nuclear war themed films from that era) thinking it would be a cheesy secondary-school style documentary that might be a bit of a laugh and remind me of my childhood days. As it happens it's the only film I've ever watched that I can honestly say I found genuinely frightening.

Flash us.

Aye, your top ten that is.

Threads (1984) (TV) is one of my favourite films, it would probably rank somewhere in the top 5 but I wouldn't say I enjoyed watching it.

Back it up with something more like: "Guy's i know i've pushed the boat out here with my outlandish statements but in all honesty i feel i need to express my opinions and thoughts on the following films so that you can further understand why i think all of the current franchise films etc are overly polished Hollywood turds....."

We could all quote cliched hacks til the cows come home

It would be nice to see some substance amid that scathing wit and those seething diatribes

Oh right, I didn't realise when you said "back up your point of view" you meant "offer a capitulation which justifies your (alkalines) point of view."

So in that case, no, certainly not, I stand by everything I've said in this thread.

As I suspected none of the films mentioned so far are anywhere my top 10.

To be fair it stopped being readable when Stripey piked out of backing up his opinion.

..here let me give a friendly warning to those scribes who have so often exclaimed against my criticisms of Shakespear as blasphemies against a hitherto unquestioned Perfection and Infallibility. Such criticisms are no more new than the creed of my Diabolonian Puritan or my revival of the humors of Cool as a Cucumber. Too much surprise at them betrays an aquaintance with Shakespear criticism so limited as not to include even the prefaces of Dr Johnson and the utterances of Napoleon. I have merely repeated in the dialect of my own time and in the light of its philosophy what they said in the dialect and light of theirs. Do not be misled by the Shakespear fanciers who, ever since his own time, have delighted in his plays just as they might have delighted in a particular breed of pigeons if they had never learnt to read. His genuine critics, from Ben Jonson to Mr Frank Harris, have always kept as far on this side idolatry as I.

There is more btw.

In reverse order my top ten films of all time are as follows :

10 : The Batman (1943)

09 : Batman the Movie (1966)

08 : Batgirl (1967)

07 : Batman (1989)

06 : Batman Returns (1992)

05 : Batman Forever (1995)

04 : Batman & Robin (1997)

03 : Return to the Batcave (2003)

02 : Batman Begins (2005)

01 : Batman The Dark Knight (2008)

Exodus were playing New Found bloody Glory

I went into exodus once, and once was enough.

two and a half hours.

Ah yeah I'm forgetting people like you enjoy sitting in a huge cinema surrounded by popcorn munching twits for so many hours where your attention is solely devoted to watching "the film".

Those of us who live in the 21st century however are more used to watching films in 1/4 of the screen while carrying on with other activities, perhaps that goes some way to explaining why you still take cheap entertainment like this so seriously.

Of course deep down, like everyone else, you probably like one or two of these "steaming Hollywood poo" productions but heaven forbid actually admitting that and...*gasp* contradicting yourself yet again.

You're wrong there.

Hah, all hail my ego! I'm not the one who watched a 2 and a half hours of a film I knew I'd never enjoy with the sole aim of making myself feel superior to joe fuckin' public.

i just told you, i watched it in order to understand what it is that people are buying into, in the wider cultural context. I haven't seen so much hype around a film in ages. You should try and get out more instead of deluding yourself into thinking people like me give a fuck about people like you.

Aww c'mon. Whether a film is culturally relevant, a form of high entertainment, or just bloody worthwhile generally is a matter of sheer opinion. It's not knowledge - it's entirely subjective.

I think everyone's with me here if I ask you to post your top ten films of all time...

Though I actually expect three things from this enquiry:

a) I'll agree with the vast majority of your top ten

b) People will pick at your top ten and dissect it as much as possible for the sheer sake of it

or

c) You won't even post your top ten

Who fucking cares what films I consider to be great? If you want an excuse to have a go at me just resort to calling me a cock or a tosser etc like everyone else here does in the absence of an actual considered, thoughtful counteropinion.