Stripey

my most listened to tracks from the last 2 months aren't even due for release for another 2 or 3 months. I don't even know what half of them are called, and in some cases don't even know who made them.

make sure your cv is up to scratch before sending it out, most agencies will be happy to give you pointers on how to fix it since it's in their interest not to field poor candidates. Unfortunately, if it's just a page with "i've just got a degree" and your only experience is working part time for 2 months in spar, you're not going to have an easy time of it. Also, get a haircut.

Anything else is theft regardless of the format or means of distribution.

It's not theft, it's copyright infringement which is a civil offence, not a crime. The shoplifting analogy is entirely inappropriate.

I can and I did.

People who are prepared to pay for it are out of pocket.

Why should they have to pay for it when others who are no better than them don't?

People who have paid for it to be created are out of pocket.

If it was free to produce an albums worth of songs then there would probably be no problem but its not free. Money is spent on rehearsals and equipment and studio time and mastering and promotion.

Smaller music stores who rely on sales to generate income are out of pocket.

If people arn't prepared to pay for larger artists work they definately wont pay for smaller lesser known artists. CDs will stay on shelfs and stores will shut down.

Companies who are providing you access to millions of high quality downloads are out of pocket.

They employ staff who have to maintain files and systems and those staff will eventually loose jobs if there is no revenue.

Theft of any kind is a fact of life. The fact that a music track isnt a physical object doesn't make any difference, it still has a price tag and there are still laws governing its purchase and use. Perhaps we should deal with and work round petty shop thieves too.

i'm sorry, your right ... perhaps i'v misinterpreted the meaning of shoplifting...

"To steal (articles or an article) from a store that is open for business." or

"The stealing of anything from a shop."

no... no thats what i thought...

but perhaps you could say that they arn't being downloaded from the online store but from a torrent site, however there is no doubt of the legallity...

so in actual fact 'receiving stolen goods' is proabably a closer analogy...

my apologies to anyone who downloads illegally and was offended by being likened to a shoplifter...

after careful consideration a person who downloads illegally is actually more like a pikey...

Sorry but whinging about piracy is like king kanute trying to command the tide. It's always going to happen and it's technologically impossible to prevent, the failure of schemes like DRM and CSS dvd encryption make this perfectly clear.

Nobody sells betamax videos anymore, because nobody wants betamax videos or has betamax players. You don't see betamax manufacturers moaning about it, they've adapted and moved on. Anyone still in the market of investing in the production and retail of betamax video tapes in 2008 would be branded a lunatic, and probably locked up if they started bringing lawsuits against people for using VHS and suing people for lost revenue, just because reality no longer fits their obselete business model.

This is exactly the situation the music industry is in today. Lots of people no longer consider music to be worth what the industry says it "should" be worth. Lots of people are no longer awed by slick marketing and huge publicity campaigns, letalone the cult of personality that drove the whole thing during the 80's and 90's for example (think michael jackson etc). Lots of people can get music for nothing without even leaving their house and they are happy to do so, and will continue to do so.

Is the answer to bring lawsuits against these millions of people for simply doing what is in their own interest rather than what's in the interest of an industry widely regarded as corrupt, bloated, shallow and detrimental to the artform?

No, the answer is to admit the business model is dead and adapt. In the free market businesses don't have a right to make profits, the public however have a right to act of their own free will. The customer is always right, and the customer has had enough of paying through the nose for something they don't feel is worth what's being charged, so they've gone somewhere else where it's cheaper and easier to obtain.

downloading albums or songs illegally is no better than shoplifting, it forces prices up and it leaves companies large and small out of pocket

You can't say anyone is out of pocket, because they are presuming people are willing to pay for the stuff in the first place. Which they clearly aren't. You can't say "oh but I would have made x amount if nobody had downloaded the tunes". You can't say that anyone who has downloaded the tunes would have paid for them otherwise. It's revenue that *doesn't exist*. As I pointed out earlier, illegal downloading is a fact of life, it's there, deal with it, work around it, don't go slapping civil law suits on kids for downloading the latest coldplay album.

Hmm, while commendable on those grounds it perhaps doesn't address the needs of the considerable percentage of the population who don't have access to the internet for whatever reason.

Or people who may want to read the paper on public transport without hooking up some sort of wifi device.

My thoughts on the matter is : fuck em, get with the times. Publishing something as ephemeral as the daily news on actual paper, and a day behind events is just madness.

As I said though, gradual phasing out rather than abruptly ending all newspapers would be the way to do it.

You can apparently use Sun xVM VirtualBox 1.6 and it does the same job for free.

I use sun virtualbox to run the latest ubuntu and opensolaris from inside xp pro, works a treat, the network interfaces even work out of the box (although it's still using NAT)

oh yeah and saving the machine state takes seconds, and you can restart it whenever you need to quicker than it takes to boot linux.

Who's moaning?

the major record labels

Maybe this should be a separate thread, but I'd be interested to hear your reasoning behind this.

straightforward environmentalism...

Music isn't your main job though.

If music is your main job, and your stuff getting downloaded is causing you to be pennyless, I'd say that means you're not very good at your job. Moaning that the public doesn't want to buy your product anymore (as the record companies are doing) is pathetic and unrealistic.

true dat. but even if it was my full time job, i would like to think i wouldnt be like "goddamn, stop downloading my music" because surely people are still making enough to cope while their music also gets downloaded heaps as well.

True, the only people that really "suffer" from illegal downloads are massive mainstream labels who expect millions in income off the new justin timberlake album.

basically you have to have one or the other interfaces up, it will be defaulting to using the wired interface most likely. bringing it down then bring up the wlan0 interface with ifconfig, and then setting the default route should do the trick.

looks like it's associated, but the interface isn't up. As root in a terminal type ifconfig eth0 and then route -n

this will show you the IP of the wired interface and the IP of your router if you dont already know it. assuming your routers IP is 192.168.1.254 :

ifconfig eth0 down

ifconfig wlan0 up 192.168.1.50 (or the same ip your wired interface is using for convenience)

route add default gw 192.168.1.254 (or whatever your routers IP is)

in a terminal as root, that will disable the wired interface, bring up the wireless interface and set up the correct route. If that doesn't work

ifconfig wlan0 down

ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.1.50 (or whatever the IP was before)

route add default gw 192.168.1.254 ( or whatever your routers IP is)

will bring the wired interface back up

if you can, post the output of ifconfig wlan0 and also iwconfig wlan0 (highlight the text with the mouse and use shift-ins to paste into the browser)

Agreed, ubuntu is supposed to be different though. Bloody pain.

Liked the last version but it was 64 bit that I was using and I got fed up with not having a flash player so thought I'd upgrade to hardy heron and go back to 32 bit.

anyway running on a wired connection while I do this now.

ifconfig has came up with the following:

wlan0

wlan0:avahi

wmaster0

right, well your driver is working, so it's the configuration that's the problem. Is it associating with the AP? If you look at your routers admin panel it should list associated devices...

And this is why Linux adoption is so poor. Driver support is rubbish. I don't know how many hours of my life I've wasted trying to get network, sound, video and capture cards working with various Linux distros.

Pretty much true, it's still not anything close to being an acceptable install and go OS for the general public. Having said that, I just installed slackware 12.1 on my laptop and the wifi/ethernet/sound worked out of the box and I was in X and watching videos on youtube with firefox within 5 mins of the install finishing...Ubuntu is definately overrated.

open a terminal, as root type: ifconfig -a

it should show all the network interfaces, usually eth0 and lo0 which are your wired network card and loopback interfaces, then the wireless interface, which might show up as something like eth1 in the case of my intel integrated wireless card in my laptop, or ath0, ra0 or wlan0 depending on the chipset in your card. If only eth0 and lo0 show up then the driver isn't working. If there's a third interface then the driver works but the configuration is wrong.

which wireless card do you have? Some of the newer chipsets can be a pain in the ass to get working.

Anyone else use Ubuntu here?

I'm having a nightmare getting wireless to work on Hardy Heron. It's stupid shit like this that will keep linux in the minority. How they managed to upgrade Ubuntu and break wifi in the process is beyond me.

Anyway, don't suppose anyone's got it working? I tried replacing the wireless connection software but that didn't work.

is the driver recognising your wifi card and is the interface showing up in ifconfig?

if neil changes the background to #00FF00 the redesign will be complete.

The world is my gym.

seriously, going for a walk or a bike ride, climbing a hill etc costs nothing and gets you outdoors in the fresh air and new scenery. I'm sure I'm not alone in having bought a set of weights and an exercise bike only to have them languish in storage for months after a couple of weeks of use. Who needs a tread mill, rowing machine or exercise bike when you can do the real thing...

Yes I have

informative post of the month prizewinner.

These people need to be weeded and stopped

Technologically impossible, they need to be tolerated and worked around.

I hardly think CD packaging can be compared to breakfast cereal packaging...

after you've listened to a CD do you just throw the packaging away????

of course books and magazines are also mass produced, and you could find the content online if you wanted and cut out the need to buy the actual product...

yet an awful lot of people do go out and buy the actual products...

why cant buying a cd and having the artwork and content on your shelf be any different...

and to be fair there a lot of people who are into packaging design be it frosties or not, theres nothing sad about admiring something your genuinelly interested in...

I think people still go out and buy things like CDs and hardcopy newspapers (which IMO should be extremely heavily taxed with the aim of completely banning them in the near future) because they're either technologically deprived, or completely passive brainwashed consumers that are just the last hangers-on to the 20th century paradigms of how content "should" be delivered. In the same way, the mainstream music industry is desperately hanging onto that old paradigm despite the genie of p2p/mp3 being well and truly let out of the bottle years ago, because it hasn't yet found a way to effectively (bollocks to itunes) adapt its business model and industry hegemony to fit the new reality while still retaining their absurd level of profit making. They realise they're finished and have resorted to intimidating people into complying with them, because those same people have the power to finish them off completely if only they would have the intelligence to realise it instead of blithely, unwittingly helping rebuild all these pointless profiteering power structures in the online domain.

Anyway my point is, cd artwork, lyric sheets, wierd cd cases that don't fit your cd-rack are just "value adding" tat which is supposed to make you feel ok about paying over the odds for a CD. I think people have been artificially inculcated over the last 50 - 60 years with a misguided view of the value of music because of the insane lengths the industry goes to in order to market its products. Getting people to believe that packaging, or for that matter the physical storage format matters is a huge con that only benefits the industry middlemen.

You're saying the violence of Judge Dredd (bear in mind how many times the population of Mega-City 1 has been decimated in the most brutal, gorey and realistic way) is comparable to the two or three pretty violent scenes in The Dark Knight?

no, I'm saying that a comic book is not as realistic as a film in it's ability to depict violence. Pretty obvious I would have thought? Seeing a drawing of something is hardly on the same scale as seeing something "actually" happen in a film isit?

albino3

predator

korg ms20

korg wavestation

lounge lizard ep3

I could go on but I wouldn't want to bore people with PICTURES of machines that make AUDIO.