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Now that gollum has sucessfully broadcast to the nation that they're all going christmas shopping on that day' date=' people who might not have had the bottle to march will go shopping.

So, instead of a small amount marching down Union Street with a hundred stewards and a big police presence to stop intimidation, you've now got even more mingling in amongst everyone with no stewards and a much more thinly spread police presence.[/quote']

A voice of reason at last. This is what comes of trying to supress people's rights.

As if any right minded people would be swayed by that risible monkey macdonald.

A great local scene is surely one that nurtures and creates bands of the calibre of the aforementioned' date=' so much so that the majors will take notice and sign them out, quite frankly Aberdeen doesn't have that. As someone in the past who has been involved in the Edinburgh scene in the mid 90's and consequestly some crossover into the Glasgow scene, Aberdeen doesn't come close to the quality of bands that were being produced down there. Aberdeen is full of ego's without the talent to back it up, its too easy to become a big fish in a small pond here and sadly it means many bands with talent get to a certain level and stop pushing. How many bands in Aberdeen have sold over 1000 albums, 2 maybe 3 if we're lucky ? In a place like Aberdeen that shouldn't be too difficult if the acts are getting out and playing and with decent management, compare that to Glasgow and Edinburgh, or even smaller places, there's probably comparable figures with Dundee, and it's hardly the musical centre of Scotland.

If bands of a strong calibre were coming up through the ranks in Aberdeen then there is a chance that NME and other publications would take note, at the moment we're nowhere near that. How many bands here have played in front of ove 500 people ? People here seem to reach a certain level and stop reaching, and the current scene pepetuates that.

The most successful musicians in Aberdeen are the ones who in general aren't part of the 'scene', this is primarily because the people here think of the 'scene' as being punk and rock bands. Aberdeen has a very strong acoustic scene that is pretty much ignored by most people on here (not everyone I know).

Who'll be the next from Aberdeen to be signed to a major ? I could take a few guesses and none of them are hugely scene based, in fact I only know of 2 acts who have had major label interest in the 'current' scene though I could be wrong.

When Aberdeen starts bringing up bands that make an impact nationally then we'll see the publications take note. Maybe some of the current crop of bands have what it takes, but if thats wht they want then they've got to get out of playing in Drakes and play further afield and frequently.

Cheers

Stuart[/quote']

I was just the other day speaking to a north east duo who play a lot in aberdeen (and all over scotland as well) who are in discussion with a major about a deal. They're not scenstersin any sense of the word, but a pro working band who make a living from music. This means a lot of playing covers in holiday parks and clubs ect but it's work and you play what the client wants. However, it's their own material that got a major interested. Stuff the rarely play live but release on CD. They got where they are by relentless work and touring. I won't tell you their name as they hate all that scene snobbery but it's not hard to work out.

yeh' date=' that's true n i accept that. But as far as I was concerned the topic was over. It was in relation to the comment about the emo in aberdeen n my crit of it where I live. Yeh i guess it's slightly hipocritical.Yeh I mocked it, but i mock most things. I dont get PERSONAL.

it basically turned from a discussion about the scene, to a genre debate to nasty comments between a few people. The post totally degrades as the comments go on. I said I was pulling out of it, it wasnt just a general laugh anymore, it was getting stupid and personal. It has been taken too far.[/quote']

Personal is this boards' middle name. Don't pay any attention, if you met most of the folk on here, you'd find them OK. It's just when certain people get to hide behind keyboards they turn into abusive wankers. Just remember they're just cowards and stick 'em on ignore.

Very good. Think she might get booed by the scenies though?

*sighs*

i only wanted to know what the music scene is like up in Aberdeen....I wasn't expecting a huge bitchfest. I'll know where to come if I want to spend all my time being closed minded about other people's opinions about music n slag them off. Can't people just agree to disagree? to be terribly cliche

Yes' date=' I admit there are a lot of bands I dont like. But at the same time there will be bands that I like that other people hate. It's to be expected. Instead people take everything personally, they get to emotionally involved in the debate and cant detach themselves. Can't you just accept that you're opinions of music differ? In things like this there are no 'right' or 'wrong' answers. Anyone who states 'you're either with us or against us' immediately gets 'well Im against you' from me. They forget the grey area and are so closeminded that I simply don't want to be one of them. It goes on principle. Why not just let the matter drop. Cos this arguement is getting old and has NOTHING to do with the original posting. I suggest that if you want to continue this slagoff fest that you do it elsewhere on another post.[/quote']

Hear hear. Not all are like that though. To avoid amateur egos, go and see Wishbone Ash at O'donaghue's on the 24th Oct. Crusty but awesome exponents of twin lead guitars.

You'll have to trip lightly to avoid the neds fighting outside though.

It's a good job you're not the type to do something useful or altruistic, like give blood.

spot on' date=' which makes me go back to my previous point, just who the hell is pulling the strings? the government or the very powerful drug lords?[/quote']

This government are incapable of pulling their puds, let alone any strings.

Said I wasn't gonna post on The Wasteland again' date=' but could not allow this nonsense to go unchallenged.

Aberdeen United Against Fascism has no link with the Anti -Nazi League (read SWP). It reflects a broad spectrum of political opinion. Sure, there are indeed socialists involved, but there are also others who do not hold with the views of the SSP/SWP. Suggest you get your facts straight before posting. Oh, and I look forward to hearing you speak.[/quote']

I can also concur with asf. Aberdeen UAF has no link with the ANL. Bill Knight represents senior citizens for Heaven's sake.

You silly boy.

Talk about arguing the pointless...!

Alternative music has become a populist fashion again' date=' much like in the early 90s with grunge, like the mid 80s with metal, and the 70s with punk. I remember not that many years ago when I would positively await with excitement the next Good News To The Sick or Reck 'n' Roll gigs at the old Drakes bar, because there were no other gigs of the like. Sure, you could go see some covers band someplace, but... Before too long word spread, more and more people wanted to come to Drakes and more and more bands staged their fledgeling gigs there. Who remembers the first Dangerfields gig or Cormak lying atop the bar singing "I believe in Rock 'n' Roll"?? Ruptured Spleen? TAR? (and I know there are a great many more people who these days talk about TAR gigs than actually went to them...)

And so the "scene" has grown from that, pretty much. Other venues have followed suit and looked to emulate the success of the Drakes legend and current standing. Many more bands have sprung up, and they now have a wider choice of venues to play and a bigger crowd than they might have had some 5 years ago. At the same time, the mainstream has again tapped the alternative music, and so kids get in on the act long before they ever hear about "Dr Drakes" and "cool local bands".

But, the down side is that many of them are not in it for the love of just music. They're in it for the fashion, the membership of the "scene", to try and emulate their heroes, etc. They will only go to a gig if they think enough of their friends are going, if that band is "cool" to like, and they will only be interested in sticking around for that one band. Yes, it's disheartning to see half the audience leave before you go on, but I'd personally rather play to 20 fans than 50 dis-interested "bodies". The time will no doubt come when alternative is no longer the chosen alternative, and the scene that people love so much will shrink and maybe dissappear again. But, there will still be the diehard musos who love playing music and love seeing bands who will keep some gigs on the go, somewhere.

Then eventually, the cycle will repeat.[/quote']

You speak the truth and nothing but the truth.

Wishbone Ash play O'donaghue's on the 24th Oct. I'm willing to bet it will be wall to wall.

Like it or not, drugs are a fact of today's life and nothing will stop people taking them. The sensible thing to do is limit the worst effects. The worse thing about drugs is the dealers. They're the ones who target kids and cut drugs with all sorts of shite.

The most effective way to remove dealers from the loop, in my opinion, is to legalise drugs and sell them in a controlled and monitored manner in Boots. The dealers are out of business at a stroke and clean drugs and needles can be sold at their proper cost along with a small tax element to fund centres where people can be treated for addiction.

The need to steal to fund a habit would be drastically reduced, along with drug crime in general.

Not everyone would take drugs of course, just because they're legal (I certainly wouldn't!), just as not everyone drinks and smokes.

Ok' date=' he's not a "friend" of mine, more of an exploiter of generosity...! a "situationist"

Any one that uses the site can suss out who it is by process of elimination, the information is freely available online, you just have to look in the right place,

I am saying no more than that (its not the guy from S Club though.. ), or Tommy Dene lol!!![/quote']

Is it the guy that owns the studio in the central belt-can't recall his name? He's had a number one record in fucking China!!!! He's a friend of Andy Ross, once of radio clyde now running radio cha cha in china.