Doc

i bought the original and best version all those years ago, but this time I think I'll cut out the middle men and just send the money straight to the sudanese ministry of genocide so they can buy some shiny new tanks, just like the ethiopian government did with the original band aid money.

Thats a good point about declaration/acheivement for a spaz....but Im just making the point that despite its current status of zero acheivemnt' date=' this band (TV) is in my opinion waaaay more successful than RS. So therefor the way some fucks measure success is v different......and the whole ''making it'' thing is a huge joke

True I love you as much as it is possible to love a girl without the use of spunk

Ass duly kissed

This 'Genius' word has the magic power to create mayhem! [/quote']

I possess a couple of real shocks tracks and i thought you were pretty damn good. and i'm an old fart.

haven't heard any TV yet. Got any stuff online yet?

snoozefest 2004 more like

1. PAUL McCARTNEY: As one of only two surviving members of the greatest band ever' date=' 62-year-old Paul is still a big star. He will play bass.

Hits: 17 No1s with The Beatles and four by himself and with various collaborations.

2. JAMELIA: Jamelia Davis, 23, tops the totty list for Band Aid 20. The single mum has been a success in Europe and Australia as well as the UK.

Hits: Five Top Five singles. Superstar reached No3 and Thank You was a No2.

3. BEVERLEY KNIGHT: The diva, 32 real name Beverley Smith is adding her strong and soulful voice to the line-up.

Hits: Album Who I Am was No7 in 2002.

4. DANNY GOFFEY: The drummer with Supergrass, 30. The band formed in 1994 and were best newcomers at the Brits in 1996 for their stomping, happy rock.

Hits: Supergrasss 1995 No1 album I Should Coco spent 36 weeks in the charts.

5. NATASHA BEDINGFIELD: The little sis of pop star Daniel will add glamour to the line-up. The 22-year-old is moving out of her brothers shadow to be a star on her own.

Hits: Debut single Single reached No3 in May. Her follow-up These Words gave the beauty her first No1.

6. FRAN HEALY: The Travis frontman, 30, will play guitar. His band had the biggest-selling British album of 1999 with The Man Who.

Hits: His band has had two No1 albums and their best-known song is Why Does It Always Rain On Me?

7. DIDO: The singer shot to fame when Eminem sampled her track Thank You for his smash hit single Stan. The 32-year-old is in Oz and cant make it to the studio on Sunday. She will record her part in Australia.

Hits: Two No1 albums.

8. BONO: The U2 frontman is the only participant from the original Band Aid single taking part in the new one. He has been drafted in to sing his immortal line And tonight thank God its them instead of you.

Hits: About to release their 11th studio album having already had five No1 albums.

9. CHRIS MARTIN: The Coldplay frontman, 27, is regarded as one of the countrys finest songwriters. When he came on board Band Aid 20 it was the moment everyone knew the project had really taken off. He will play piano and sing.

Hits: Two No1 albums with Parachutes and A Rush Of Blood To The Head. Coldplays as-yet-untitled third album will be the release of next year.

10. BUSTED: James Bourne, 20, Charlie Simpson, 19, and Matt Jay, 20, form Britains biggest boy trio.

Hits: First two albums went to No2 and four singles to No1.

11. JUSTIN HAWKINS: Shaggy-haired rock god and lead singer with Lowestoft band The Darkness. The 28-year-old has been compared to the late Freddie Mercury of Queen. Likely he will play guitar and sing.

Hits: Debut album Permission To Land went to No1 last year.

12. ROBBIE WILLIAMS: The ex-Take That star, 30, has gone on to become our biggest entertainer. His song Angels became an anthem for a generation. Recording his part for the track in Los Angeles.

Hits: Six solo No1s, eight with Take That.

13. KATIE MELUA: Singing sensation who came from nowhere this year. Debut album Call Off The Search climbed the charts until it hit No1 in January. The 20-year-old is a surefire contender for a Brit award next year.

Hits: Call Off The Search.

14. TIM WHEELER: The frontman of Irish pop punk band Ash is regarded as an elder statesman of rock at the grand old age of 28. The band has been around since 1989 and he has become one of the most respected guitarists and singers on the music scene. Ash were one of the star turns at Robbie Williamss historic Knebworth gigs last year.

Hits: Fourteen singles and five albums. Ashs debut album 1977 went to No1 in 1996.

15. MS DYNAMITE: The 23-year-old rapper real name Niomi McLean Daley wowed audiences and critics with her debut album A Little Deeper, which won her the 2002 Mercury music prize. She went on to pick up a clutch of Brit Awards for it in 2003. Since becoming a mum last year she has concentrated on writing her second album.

Hits: A Little Deeper.

Might as well just tell the poor africans to go starve[/quote']

Well at least the sudanese government will be able to buy some new tanks and guns with the proceeds, rather like the ethiopian gov did with the last lot.

Although a non smoker, I don't have a problem with going into a pub where there are smokers, After all it's my choice and it's not as if I actually live there.

But I think we need to compromise here. As a non smoker I don't have a problem with breathing in the products of someone else's habit. I think it only fair then that smokers should equally cheerfully put up with the products of my habit, which is beer drinking. The product of this is copious amounts of urine. I should therefore be allowed to piss on smokers whenever I'm in the pub. I think it's a good deal. Second hand smoke is blamed for causing disease but piss is completely harmless.

Go and see a real doctor or even the practice nurse.

I've been an SSP member for about 4 years now' date=' and I reckon it'll do us good in the long run. The media mostly chose to focus on Tommy's tan, whoopty fuck. If that's all they could slag him about, he was doing bloody well. But yeah, most folks saw the SSP as a one-man band so here's the chance to knock that one on the head. Mind you, how many Lib-Dem and SNP politicians can you name? I'm struggling for 3! I reckon the SSP needs a further shift to the left.[/quote']

While being an admirer of tommy sheridan, I reckon scotland would prefer armageddon than the plans the SSP had for the country.

i can play the cello.

The SSP is a circus act, now without their ringmaster who was the only one with any stature.

are you joking? oh i am so there. east 17????

I shit thee not, including brian harvey. Big poster outside.

Try www.riverproaudio.co.uk and you'll have them in a couple of days.

Lee Oskar harps are easier to bend notes on for that bluesy twang. I think they're about 14 these days. Make sure you get a major diatonic key to start with. Remember, diatonic harps plays two keys, one in straight harp and another in cross harp. Lee Oskars also come in natural minor keys and harmonic minor keys.

I noticed that East 17 and Chesney Hawkes are playing at Jumping Jacks in Decmber! Might give it a miss though.

I put forward the theory that a Bush win is better in the long run a while back' date=' and I wonder if it still holds. Maybe the Democrats didn't even really want to win this one. A Democrat winning this year would just get the blame for the shit that is currently mid-air and heading towards the fan, then the Republicans would sweep back in in 2008. This way Bush has to take responsibility for the fucked US economy, the thousands of US coffins returning from a 'war' that more and more citizens are beginning to question. He may even lose control of the Senate in a couple of years. Then in 2008 the Democrats could have far more chance of gaining power, and keeping it.

By the by, if Hillary Clinton stands and wins in 2008, then takes it to a second term, it will mean that the most powerful nation on Earth will have been run by the same two families for 27 years...[/quote']

Well said. Bush fucked all this up, let him sort it out if he can.

It is not that I believe that people are stupid. However' date=' you must understand that many, who may find themselves in desperate circumstances, could be attracted to the politics of the far right. They're seeking solutions, but see none. The mainstream political parties are not listening. They're looking for someone to blame. The far right feed on such feelings.They seek to exploit people's fears.

And regarding those who like myself oppose the NF - no one has been had. Sure, by protesting their activities they do indeed receive greater attention. However, they gotta be stopped. It's unfortunate that by doing so that the far right do gain some publicity, but that's just how it is.[/quote']

Thanks to reading your website, I now realise more fully where you're coming from and I respect your ideals. It is true the mainstream parties do not listen and it is those that I accuse of arrogance and of being out of touch.

What I seek in those we chose to run the country is a working health service, trains that run on time, bins that get emptied, emergency services, an end to poverty, plenty of work, a well defended country and so forth.

I don't need a politician to tell me how to discipline my kids, what to eat or drink, when to drink, when or where to smoke, how to relate to my wife, whether I should go foxhunting or not (I don't, monkey, so don't get your high horse out )!! These things are fuck all to do with government.

But however pissed off i've been and I've been very pissed off, however poor and desperate i've been and i've been those too, I've never resorted to extremes or things not in my nature. It's not in my nature to blame immigrants, blacks or homosexuals for the ills of the world so I would never resort to the politics of the far right although there are surely those who would.

I would challenge your choice of words regarding the NF...gotta be stopped, when they are staying within the law is authoritanian and surely against your beliefs. Challenged, yes by all means. Shown as the extremists that they are, definitely. But not their rights taken away when they've have done nothing legally wrong. That makes your worse than them.

Never ever abuse a waiter or waitress. If you do, you will end up with shit/snot/piss/pubic hair/menstrual fluid/spit or worse in your pasta or soup.

Be nice.

i just think his and ASF's failures to see that people are individuals and don't need help to make their own choices as to who they should vote for or what political actions they should take based upon their own opinions and thoughts is particularly suspicious and their "i am right and you are wrong" method of preaching their politics to obviously lesser mortals like myself and yourself is something i won't tolerate' date=' i don't mind people having opinions but trying to inflict them upon others is wrong, that authoritarian attitude is distasteful and doesn't leave room for alternative viewpoints on society

i don't agree with anything the NF do or say nor do i agree with any group threatening the livelihoods of other people which is why i think they ought to be stopped because no group that threatens people with violence or death should be tolerated, i don't mind them having an opinion about politics but not at the expense of people's basic right to live[/quote']

Very true. I hate being patronised or pressured by these holier than thou clowns. I consider politicians and their like to be lower forms of life than say a nurse or a teacher and I won't have any such narrow minded control freaks tell me how I should think or feel.

An even lower form of life, of course, is the NF and their kind. It just annoys me when these anti demo people are so afraid that I'm so stupid as to be turned into an NF supporter just because they march along union street that they make such a hullabaloo about it and give the bastards even more publicity, then are too obtuse to see they've been had!

The problem with people involved in politics is that they consider all other people as mindless sheep, only fit to cast a vote to place ther chosen ones in power so that they can interfere increasingly in our lives.

This arrogance is their weakness, as they consistently underestimate the power of public opinion as they become more and more isolated from they people they claim to represent, until they get kicked out on their overpaid arses by the very votes that apparachiks like monkey claim to despise.

Those whom the gods despise they first make mad. Note how exasperated monkey gets when i won't play his game and allow him to expound his 19th century political claptrap thus showing how superior he is to us mere mortals. How galling to be continually out maneuvered by those "neanderthal NF thugs" whom he feels morally and intellectually superior to and by me who despises politicians and their familiars as the bloodsucking control freaks they really are.

the NF march isn't going ahead' date=' wasn't that what all the activists on here wanted?

well done, you got your wish so why keep going on about it?

sounds to me like you won the battle to stop them marching but lost the war to stop them getting the publicity they seek so much [/quote']

What I've been saying all along. Hear hear.

Oh so I demonise you because your more intelligent than me do I?

Well prove then this intelligence of yours and tell me how you think democracy works when all people do is vote.

I resorted to name calling as you put it because you haven't once been capable of answering any of the responses I have posted to the' date=' frankly stupid, things you keep writing.[/quote']

You have become tiresome and irrelevant now.

Here endeth the talking to the monkey. Any organ grinders out there?

As usual not prepared to engage in actual debate; you just post opinion and prove unwilling or incapable of actually backing that opinion up when challanged.

challanged????? Sorry dont know the word. If you mean challenged, what gives you the impression you're capable of challenging me on any level?

You've proven yourself to be naive, stupid and ignorant. You tell me why should I bother debating with you at all?

I suggest you take some lessons from All systems Fail. He is erudite, concise, impassioned and intelligent. Oh and learn to spell and use at least the rudiments of grammar.

So you have given up on trying to defend your apparent bigotry?

Ah, I see you're resorting to the old demonise what you cannot fight or understand or compete on an intelectual level with tactic, beloved of the extreme left and right.

I accept your surrender, shown by your resorting to ridiculous name calling.

Now fuck off and go back to your game boy, you riscible clown.

So small as to be insignificant? There was talk of 200 NF thugs attending from across the country.

And by the way' date=' we were in the midst of a discussion via pm were we not? So what happened?[/quote']

Again I apologise. I've not received any PMs since the last one of yours I responded to. Obviously a problem somewhere.

When will you get it into your thick scull that they can be in Aberdeen any time they want as some of them live here. Similarly they can gather in groups in cities around the UK any time they want. They dont need to trick people into letting them do that. They can cause chaos and carnage as you put it any time they like' date=' and they certainly dont need the TV to give them publicity to get their NF friends to come along as they have a well organised communication system through NF websites, publications, etc. You suggest they now have 100 times the publicity but there is absolutely no evidence of this and in fact they have less as there will be no march and thus no publicity for that march. They may get publicity if they cause trouble but they can do that any time they like, something you clearly dont understand. What they dont have, as a result of not being allowed to march, is the supposed credibility that being allowed to march would have given this group of thugs.

You keep suggesting there is this conspiracy, at first I thought this was because you were simply misguided, or simply trying to undermine those who sought to stop the march, but I now realise your just stupid. You have shown evidence or even any kind of logical argument as to why or how your conspiracy is in fact a reflection of reality other really quite laughable hearsay.[/quote']

I'd take you more seriously if you could spell and use proper grammar. You call ME thick.

I hope' date=' as a good responsible citizen, you will have taken the opportunity to report this benefit fraud to the relevant authorities, who will duly investigate the gentleman in question.[/quote']

Someone already has.

So all benefits scroungers are cunts' date=' ok. Does that include the State Pension which is also a benefit? Does that include the physically or mentally disabled who are often on Incapacity Benefit? Or are you again perhaps writing without thinking out your argument first? Because anyone on benefit must be a scrounger its the only possible explanation for them being on benefit!

Yet again you responded to my post without actually responding to any of the points I made. I see as I plainly understand nothing, would you perhaps explain to me where my previous explanation was inaccurate and where it is I suggested that we live in some Orwellian nightmare?

As for suggesting I don't have a social conscience [i']your the one who said that all people on benefit are cunts! *laughter*

Do try not to be a complete idiot.