i think the problem was that the boy stripey came onto a post about a record which HMG and released and told them that the work on their website was shit. that's fair enough, it's his own opinion, but the fact of the matter was, this post wasn't about the work on their site, it was about the record which they released. if he doesn't want to buy it, that's entirely up to himself, but why come onto a thread about their record and tell them that the stuff on their website is shit? it just looks like stripey's come on here to look for an argument which is something which happens all too often with his posts. he makes non-comstructive comments interweaved with constructive comments and then when you point this out, he makes out like you've taken the ball and gone home in a huff. the rocording quality of the work on their website is poo rwhich was a point he made, but as has been pointed out, telling someone that their singer is shit is not constructive. what would be cnostructive would be to say: stripey, your posts have been known to contain relevant arguments and valid points, however they are presented in such a way as to make you look arrogant and unnecessarily argumentative, which instantly makes people dislike you and ignore the more useful points you make. by being more careful about the way in which you approach topics and present arguments, perhaps your ideas would be taken on board a little more often. spoonie X