AKA the brando

Best. Post. Ever.

What's not to like? The aforementioned "there/their/they're" mistake; the incoherent illiteracy; The separation of "intact" and "overrated" to give them a whole new meaning; The confusion of a band that "cant(sic) write music" also being "over rated(sic)"; the use of text speak - "tht", "tbh", "ull"; the un-required apostrophe in "emo's(sic)"; the great sentence "who would do a tribute band to a band".

Personal favourite? The spelling of "booed". Classic.

ahhh man it was worth putting this bullshit thread on just for that

i`m gonna go solo instead and become Dolly Parting

heard a young guy on that shmu fm, a couple of weeks ago but i cant remember what his name was?

i`m sure they said he was from seaton, but anyway it was a bit where they showcase local acts, and was really impressed by him, sounded a bit like The Streets but in a good way!

THE HOWFF?

i really like bars where they make an effort of remembering what you drink.

(just incase you forget!!!) nah its just nice like.

yeah agree with the brentwood, nice bar, ales etc

heard that the bar that used to be Morgans on market st is not bad too for that kinda thing?

theres that new bar just up from the office too.

my mimical romance

yeeeeehaaaaaaa come on all, join the black parade, clap your hands and turn around.

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Interestingly it is apparently perfectly OK for persons unknown in our city council to sell off a prime plot of city centre real estate to Stewart Milne at a knock down price under false pretenses. Remember the City Warf scandal earlier in the year when Mr Milne somehow purchase a couple of acres of car park behind Union Street for only 500K??? Either the people responsible for that were criminals or so fuckin stupid they should be committed to Cornhill.

bonny job he did with it too

MySpace.com - Zeropunk - Hertfordshire - Other / Other / Other - www.myspace.com/zeropunkmusic

massive attack meets tricky? or something.

anyone fancy some? i was thinking a monday night at snafu could work nicely...

massive attack meets tricky sounds promising

if they had any sense, they could easy go in a pub pick a likely looking table of folk and find at least half of them with a stash.

RAWK RAWK RAWK

moorings?

if they wanted to really catch folk with drugs then surely instead of warning them, they just go into pubs/clubs grab a handfull of folk and search them, easy!!! and cheaper.

the blue lamp,

malt mill,

office

Are you joking or is this a genuine request?

what like the names and that?

thats why we are struggling getting one, but the 2nd one might just get there for the scottish conection, Gerard loves scotland!

looking for bass, and drums for MCR tribute band.

still trying to think of good names also:

My Physics Romance

Aye Chemical Romance (favourite so far!)

EMIT assays are individually designed for individual drugs (or closely related drugs), so the false positive rates vary a little across the different types. However, none of them work at a 40% false positive rate, that's completely impractical and I think it must have come from some skewed statistics. For example, 80-90% of people on buflomedil give a false positive on one of the amphetamine EMIT tests. However, not everyone in the population is on buflomedil, so the false positive rate on the amphetamine EMIT across a normal section of the population isn't anywhere near 80-90%. In fact, it's closer to 1%.

It's also worth pointing out that any test also has a false negative rate too, and it's usually higher than the false positive rate.

False positives would obviously get ruled out at the GC/MS stage, but a false result on an EMIT would be a crap way to end your evening out - So this whole testing in venues/pubs is absolute bollocks in my opinion too.

?( oh my poor little brain, these kinda posts confuse me, i mean im sure its all good stuff but, its just me, and it being monday morning too ?(

Liquid, Tiger Tiger and Espionage are the first places to be using this by the way.

All will refuse entry if you refuse to take the test.

thank FOOK!

wouldnt go anywhere near any of those places, even if i was off my face

think its sergeant

The questions on whether the war on drugs is working, whether drugs are good/bad things, and what constitutes a drug are not the issues here. The real issue is the war on totalitarian fascism.

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This won't be optional for the pubs and clubs, they are compelled to do whatever the police want them too. The police will just come in and set up shop. Their powers are draconian.

The only accurate means of testing for drug ingestion is a GC/MS machine, and to test someone's urine on that costs 400 a time (probably a lot more than they spent on the drugs). The next most reliable test is the EMIT which is an indicator added to pee. It's false positive rate is something like 40% depending on circumstances. It's only real purpose is pre-screening for the GC/MS to cut costs. The GC/MS is better than 99.99% accurate.

These swab things are massively inaccurate. The police do not currently have the power to exclude someone from a pub simply because this test shows up red, the person would have to be found to be carrying drugs.

They police cannot force anyone to listen to a lecture based solely on the results from the machine. You can politely decline their offer.

If (like me) you are of an anarchistic mindset they you may wish to consider the following programme of civil disobedience:

1) Identify every common or garden substance than is known to cause a false positive for this device. This information will be readily available on the internet.

2) Coat hands in all these things. Or if you are so inclined coat hands in real drugs (it doesn't really matter).

3) Fill pockets with joke objects and/or seemingly unpleasant substances. Use your imagination with this part. Back in 1992 I got searched and they found 500 packets of assorted condoms and a tube of spermicide. That looked good in the paper when it went to court If you are really brave, and can spare 4 days of your life, then try carrying some fake drugs, that will cost them a lot of time, effort, and money... although there is always the danger they will substitute them for real ones back at the station.

4) Find out where the machine is in use.

5) Show up with 100 or so like minded people.

6) Make sure your mates have camera phones discretely rolling throughout.

7) Be sure and shake hands with the police before the test.

8) BONUS POINT: Pretend that though you are willing to be tested you are nervous of the machine (is the swab going to make you ill), and ask the police officer you shook hands with to demo it.

9) Post the video on YouTube then send the link to the newspapers.

10) Repeat this trick until the whole programme is scrapped.

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Now having said all this I must also add that I am VERY against people carrying drugs out on the town. Due solely to the fact that drugs are illegal, their presence attracts criminal low-life, and those people ruin perfectly good pubs and clubs. This is why I exhibit a ZERO tolerance policy when I encounter drug taking in the vicinity of the bar.

What we are seeing here is a misguided and ill considered attempt by the authorities to crack down on those types. The problem is that they are bending the law by doing this, and if we tolerate that then eventually the fascists will be forcing their way into our homes and swabbing those too with penalty by way of 'on-the-spot' execution.

In LVX.

sherbet dips all round then

My mate was saying earlier that the Hogshead was using it last night.

Though I think he's still calling the Old School House the Hogshead.

i didnt think they had bouncers? one of the reasons i go in there, i know there just doing a job but, some are total arses! prefer those union st charity guys to bouncers!

``sorry not tonight lads, too drunk`` `iv not even had a drink yet mate!`

`` er well, the machine says you have a bit of coke under that finger nail, sorry go away``

`ah well fair doos`

town will be dead.

To be honest, I think the Lemon Tree has been given a pretty bad press when it comes to promoting local music. Let's remember they're an arts venue, and music isn't the absolute priority. Secondly, I think that over the years there have been quite a few decent schemes to get local bands involved. There was the lunchtime gigs which almost exclusively featured local acts (these were a poor idea and terribly mismanaged, but still a chance for local bands to play). Then there was the tie-in with the Foyer that allowed a lot of young bands to play. Personally, it was a huge encouragement to be given the chance to play to a packed Lemon Tree aged 15.

One night a week for local bands is a great idea, but is it really going to work? It's a sad thing to say, but nowhere near enough people would attend a weekly gig of purely local bands. Fact. There are too many other good venues in Aberdeen, with a fairly small number of fans of local music. I would say the one thing APA seem to be doing are running the Lemon Tree more responsibly. A weekly band night would be a massive waste of money.

Why does the Lemon Tree have to be the flag-bearer for the local music scene? There are so many venues in Aberdeen geared purely towards music. Look at the Tunnels, local bands on every day of the week. The Lemon Tree will never be like that. I don't think that's what it's meant for. It's certainly a great venue, so maybe a monthly night is a good idea; to attempt give a summarised overview of the scene as a whole to a demographic that might not usually bother to attend local gigs.

With regards to the database, I would echo a lot of your complaints, but I think the revised posts seem to say that playing at Exposure is far from the only way to get placed on the database.

AT LAST SOME SENSE.

folk on here seem to be getting away from the fact that it is another club night for local bands to play, and i think this whole database thing has been blown way out of context.

most venues would not want just any band turning up and then clearing the room.

i know personally i will be making an effort to go down and see how its going, have a chance to see new bands in the lemon tree. the sound is really good in there and you can really judge a band by hearing them in there.

and regarding the `public money etc` i would much rather it is spent on these types of things as opposed to 2 people turning up to some lunchtime gig.

and if the lemon tree is making money from us going to these things then hopefully they will be able to give some of it back to community ie. more young musicians, teaching and equipment, and more importantly a stage to showcase it all on.

haha just read your musical talents!

your definetely not him, sorry

Scottish date has been confirmed (it's before the other uk dates) but tickets aren't on sale yet

quality! take it its secc?

p.s. your not mouse fae alford are you?

Not only have we lost the INDIE night!

now as reported on BBC news we are gonna get tested for drugs, before getting into pubs!!!

Thats it i`m moving to peterheed:swearing:

Ouch.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this - but it seems to me that the 'programmer' (I use that term loosely...) at the Lemon Tree is using this to judge how many people a band will pull - the comments about bands like the Little Kicks not needing to play the clubnight somewhat reaffirms this. Any band with half a brain that wants these support slots badly would be bound to bring a large crowd along, and so the Lemon Tree wins (in the short term). But of course, a lot of the bands who might fit will then be ignored, because they're not on the pub rock radar.

It's sad to say, but I agree entirely with the comments made about the Lemon Tree's problems - doing things like this will do absolutely nothing for the place, and can only harm the reputation. Given that it's public money at stake here, shouldn't the place be giving support slots (if possible) to the bands that actually deserve it locally, rather than those that brought 100 mates along to some club night?

Out of interest, how much knowledge does the new programmer actually have about Aberdeen these days?

im afraid i have to disagree entirely about it doing nothing for the place, i think if these types of nights DO get people along then thats great for everyone concerned. money to keep the lemon tree open, crowds for bands that are starting up, and live music, late music and booze = a good night for all!

at the end of the day established bands are still gonna include the lemon tree when touring because it IS the LEMON TREE and its a great venue!

i think it needs to be given a chance and (if) it doesnt take off then fair enough, but why slate it before it even gets a chance, totally baffles me!!!