Steve Temple

I feel the attitude and lyrical content of The Specials would be enough to classify them as punk. I'm sure you can't deny they were influenced by punk and mixed it up with traditional ska. Some of their stuff isn't too different to some of The Clash stuff like Wrong em' Boyo.

If you were include all the sub-genres that punk spawned, then you'd have to include white funk (Gang of Four), Goth (Bauhaus), dub (Pil), electronica (The Normal) etc. and you'd have a huge list. Infact, you'd have the list that Uncut came up with a few years ago: The best singles of the post-punk age, which went right up to Eminem. Radio 1 should have defined this list better

Haha' date=' no i take music as having it's value whether it be 3 (sometimes even 2) minute pop songs or 30 minutes long. You should know better. But unlike you i don't go through stupid phases where i think something has merit purely because it is a 3 minute condensed pop song. It actually has to be a good song for me. I don't force myself to say i like things which i don't and which i will tear to shreds in a couple of weeks time. It's just a sad stab at controversy on your behalf.[/quote']

I undoubtedly go thru phases, and they change all the time, which is all the better because there is nothing in the pop canon worth dwelling on. Also, as I don't own albums by these artists, I like to listen a bunch of different songs from the same movement (in this case the retro-pop movement). The Rough Riders fit with this, tho they may be it's weakest example

Give it a rest now.

Got something against the Rough Riders? Or maybe' date=' like Narc, you disapprove of condensed, 3-minute pop-songs, because you believe music should have [i']meaning . Away and listen to that Volta bollocks

Explain this exuberant statement young man.

I choose to ignore Keilan's underlining of this subject, and answer the above question. Rock n' roll is about glamour, and your favourite bands should inspire you to dress in a more flamboyant style, rather than degrade yourself in their cheaply-made, garishly-designed, and often pointless merchandise.

p.s. if you want to show your appreciation for a band, badges have my official sanction

why is it so many bands just dont have any staying power.

This happens quite often to bands if they dont get where they want in very little time.

That's just the way it should be. I'm 19 now, and if I haven't had a hit single by the time I'm 21, I'm giving up, rather than slogging away until I'm no longer relevant, and too old to pose in leather trousers anyway

In The Flat Field is the most consistent Bauhaus album in my humble opinion' date=' the others tended to veer into some dodgy experimental territory. Which is why it's the only studio one I have bought on CD besides the Press The Eject And Give Me The Tape live one. The 2 CD singles compilations probably cover all you need unless you are obsessive about them. But Rosegarden Funeral Of Sores isn't on them so In The Flat Field still is a must buy for me for that track alone, I love it for some reason....5 quid in FOPP quite frequently, keep an eye out.[/quote']

Do you have Gotham, the live album? Is Bela Lugosi's Dead on the single comp? I'm not with you on Rosegarden, although I'd like to hear the John Cale original

The MC5 are rubbish, note I didn't put them in my 60s/70s Detroit/New York list yesterday, because they are rubbish. I was rocking to a bit of No Fun yesterday, tho

1, Slow Fade - Teenage Fanclub

2, For A Smile - Cosmic Rough Riders

3, Play Dead - Astrid

4, Days Run Away - House of Love

5, Never Understand - The Jesus and Mary Chain

Alas, I don't own a floral blouse, but if I did, by Christ I'd be wearing it today

Infact, having looked at the list, I'm not voting at all, because it's stupid. I was going to joke about some yankified kid saying "wot no NOFX?", but it's just that kind of shit they've got in the list.

Had it been a solely 1975-77 list, I would have gone for Boredom by the Buzzcocks

That's a humdinger, considering punk was pop's Second Golden Age. I'll see what's on the list

Narc does this:

wear a t-shirt they've just bought at the very same show

But only if he can't do this:

Going to a gig whilst wearing a t-shirt of that particular band

But I'd say wearing a Smashing Pumpkins t-shirt to a Teenage Fanclub gig is perhaps a greater crime.

Wearing band t-shirts is uncool FULL STOP

Remember people - sacks of oranges show them who's boss and don't leave a mark!

A lesson well learned by anyone who's seen "The Grifters". You don't get that kind of practical information from yer Star Wars

p.s God save the Glen

What choices do you regard as sublime and ridiculous' date=' just out of interest? Remembering that famous old saying 'Da knock it till yiv tried it'!!!! [/quote']

Nah, I take that back, I realise you just like anthing with a tune, whether it's done by swaggering louts in parkas, or dudes in leather jackets and shades, which I respect.

mjg1971 noticed you have Bauhaus in your list of band likes. I heard one of their songs (Stigmata Martyr) in the film Night of the Demons and loved it and have always pondered on wether to get one of their albums or not. You recommend any of their albums mate.

Stigmata Martyr is on In The Flat Field, but I'm here to tell you that it is just about the worst track on the album. It's the kind of pompous, cliched satanic nonsense that invented the whole "goth" thing. If you like it, you may not like the rest of the album, which is in a raw, post-punk vein. But, then again, you like Interpol, so......

Today at work' date=' Steven asked me to post the following:

"As of the 1st June 2005, the performing band Dedalus will cease to exist. The show on the 31st May will be our last public appearance. The band will be augmented by Niall Slater of Reasons Are Red on guitar for a number of songs. There will also be a final recording session for the band, including recently departed guitarist Dave Officer, to document the recent songs completed by the band. If public interest demands it, these recordings may be released.

In place of the band as it exists currently, vocalist Steven Rainey, guitarist Robert Smith and drummer Alan Bain, will continue to write and record with the goal of putting together a new line-up and a new recording. With God on our side, we will hopefully return in 2006 with new material and a new approach. This is not the end, it is merely the close of the first chapter."[/quote']

A typically melodramatic act. I heartily approve

People, people, SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BUTCHERS! Do not buy your steaks from a multinational company that rear their cows Argentina,buy from your butcher that rears them in a field near Mintlaw

5. Man In The Cornershop - The Jam

Quality stuff from the much-underrated Sound Affects. Your taste really does veer from the sublime to the ridiculous, tho

Today I have been mostly wearing tight "pants", a leather jacket and sunglasses (indoors), hence:

Beginning To See The Light - The Velvet Underground

I Got A Right - Iggy and the Stooges

Born to Lose - Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers

Sixteen Blue - The Replacements

Streets of your town - The Go-betweens

because you dont understand the argument

you are actually agreeing with me

shit gear usually does the trick

Cool your jets, Betamax, I know I'm agreeing with you, I'm just putting the argument in a succint way. And I'm joking about the equipment thing

Interpol mission statement: to provide "a degree of mental stimulation while shaking your ass". I think that's the best anyone can hope for

The Rough Trade Rock and Roll 1 compilation is fantastic.

Hmm, i just looked at the track-listing on Amazon, and there is a lot of shite on there like the Jon Spencer Blue Explosion and Monster Magnet. I don't know what Pere Ubu are doing in that company

Yeah, Steve Jones played Les Paul thru Marshall (or something), but I'm sure Captain Sensible would approve of the opportunities for random and unintentional distortion that the 10-watt Stagg provides.

agree its a bit of artform to get a good punk sound out of equipment since most gear in the shops is designed to sound like ''modern'' *ahem* generic rock music' date=' or to be versatile and musical

making a guitar set up sound like The Mekons, The Prefects, X RAY sPEX, Dead Kennedys etc requires real talent ! [/quote']

No it doesn't, I can do it with my 10 watt Stagg amplifier, and my under-200 beginners Ibanez

Punk is an idea, NOT a sound. Thie argument is now void

The man with the best taste in this thread!

Now I wouldn't expect such an error in judgement from someone who buys Rough Trade compilations. Speaking of, I was thinking of buying another one (I only have the "Best of 25 years"). Can you recommend one, por favor?

I'm looking forward to the Bert Jansch one. Plenty of time to save up!

I'm a cert for that one too, though that billing does it's best to put me off

Be Gone - British Sea Power

Vermillion - Mercury Rev

A Church Not Made With Hands - The Waterboys

Power Out - Arcade Fire

Born On A Train - The Magnetic Fields (again)

Today's theme: Romantic melodrama in a rural or period setting

"get in the car...get into the fucking car...stop struggling...stop struggling or i'll use the fucking knife"

I don't know why, but for some reason I prefer "She wears denim wherever she goes, says she's gonna get some records by the Status Quo, oh yeah"

And the fact that no-one was in a position to correct me over my Orange Juice submiision shows just how neglected they are .The first line of "Consolation Prize" is in fact: "A thousand violins will play for you, while you set and roll your deep blue eyes, A thousand to win, a thousand you lose, but I'll be your consolation prize"