Steve Temple

The fact that they are' date=' disproves your theory that pop isn't worth very much. In a nutshell, pop music means a whole lot to, erm, a whole lot of people.

You aspire to be a musical dictator? [/quote']

I think of myself as a guru. My wisdom will help people better understand the excitement that is to be had when they embrace current pop and fashion, and it will also help perpetuate pop for years to come. It means a whole lot to a lot of people, and it means a whole lot to me too. I don't want to see it harmed by cynics, sceptics, and post-rock fans. But I need a bigger loudspeaker. I need a job at the NME.

A whole lot of young people listen to' date=' and love, old pop music.[/quote']

I know, over several pages I've argued that they shouldn't. I only want what's best for them

But yet' date=' thousands of pop songs have lasted many years, some for decades, and have special meaning to millions of people all around the world.

There's an affa lot of bollocks being posted in this thread, business as usual.[/quote']

That's because they have been revisted by old people. I'm talking about what young people listen to. Particular pop songs will always be special for particular individuals. Rather than "our conscience" I should have said "the collective conscience of the youth of the western world" :]

Nah I have cared about being cool. Just like probably everyone has growing up' date=' but I've grown out of it. I'm happier being my own person, and anyone I'd like to impress would be someone that would be impressed by who I am. From personal experience, regret comes from trying to be cool.

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To quote the new Departure single, you've got it all mapped out. There's no need to worry about a wife yet. You're a bit older than me, but you're still young, there's plenty of time for that!

he he.. was that at T in the Park?

It was at Zippy's bash. I gave it my approval, btw

You' date=' on the other hand, appear to like bands simply because they [i']are contemporary.

I don't like bands, I like songs, those which are contemporary, cool, catchy and danceable. I can see no other reason to cock my ear to the speaker

Btw, when am I getting Porcupine back? I sure as hell have no reason to listen to it, but it's a nice relic to have gathering dust in the loft

There must be some Robert Burns song or poem out there that has a more timeless and relevant theme to it?

I think I nailed that. "A Man's A Man" by Burns. It was sung when the new Scottish Parliament building (wonderful thing that it is) was opened, so why not?

What's this about pop bands should be disappearing after a short while? All these bands you're name checking will disappear after a short while because they lack substance. They're just commercial whores' date=' not interested in making music, but interested in being famous, and looking cool (going by your definition of pop, pop has nothing to do with music). Big Brother Bands. These bands are lapped up by naive dumb kids (kids - regardless of age) who are fed poison by the mother superior (eNeMEy is a good example). The eNeMEy is just a good business, in that they've worked up such a respectable mass rep, that they could probably print whatever the fuck they wanted, and it would still get lapped up. Exploitation. *No one's right to like anything - you either like something or you don't*. Kill Rockstars! They are all liars!

It's almost like you're trying to say that.. except this part *

In conclusion - Listen to what you like![/quote']

Pop is disposable. There is nothing in it's combination of notes and noise that gives any particular example of it such substance that it deserves to trouble our conscience for any length of time. Just because your Aberfeldy don't care about being pop stars doesn't mean that their combination of notes and noise has any more substance than that by any other band.

You may not have cared about being cool, Yousef, but the fact that you asked for approval on wearing Dr.Martens with your trademark drainpipes suggests you're getting there! If you don't embrace trends and fashion now, then you will regret it when you are old, as it's all part of the whirlwind of fun that comes with being young and free

Im liking this quote

"A band like Franz Ferdinand are very interesting' date='" says Andy Ross, Blur's Food Records boss in the 1990s, "but a band influenced by Franz Ferdinand [b']are obviously going to be less interesting, and diminishing returns set in until you reach a point where pop music is over."

There are no current bands who are influenced by Franz Ferdinand. The current bands that sound vaguely like them were given their break after the success of Franz Ferdinand, but I'd bet they were already doing what they were doing before they'd heard Franz Ferdinand

If there are to be bands influenced by Franz Ferdinand and Interpol, they may take a few years to appear. It is perhaps more natural for aspiring young bands to rebel against what came immediately before (like Britpop rebelled against the progressive nature of Acid House) rather than progress on from them. It hopefully won't take another 25 years for the progression to happen, but when it does, I'll advocate young people listen to the bands of the moment, while I'll nostalgically revist the records of my youth (Interpol etc.)

Will they?

What are they doing that's so era defining or original?

As much as I enjoy Interpol' date=' they're simply a retread of a handful of bands that came 25 years before them.[/quote']

They're not a retread. They share only some of the elements of bands that came 25 years before them, but more importantly they share their spirit of producing accessible songs that are also original

Why they're original is quite technical, for example very few of their songs have obvious choruses, and sometimes they don't even repeat verses. They have numerous tempo shifts and breakdowns in their songs, with very few following one consistent groove

This sounds original to me, but some of you may point out that it was done 25 years ago. In that case, I'll listen to the old records to find this out, but not to enjoy them

The people on this thread like Siouxsie and the Banshees for what they were when they were contemporary. No-one's denying they would be old and embarrassing if they were to play nowadays! I'm not 46' date=' so their records are all I've got![/quote']

I am missing the point; you like the Banshees because they were once contemporary? Now they no longer are, what do their records offer, other than - to quote Dave - " a curiosity of a bygone age"

The Banshees became embarrassing long before now

here's an article that has some relevance to this discussion

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0' date=',1533123,00.html[/url']

I dismissed the argument of that article a long time before it was written, here:www.aberdeen-music.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24648&page=5&highlight=bloc+party+worse

You missed out The Bravery. Ive never actually seen a worse live band.

I deliberately never mentioned The Bravery' date=' Kaiser Chiefs, Franz Ferdinand, The Killers or The Departure, as these are the actual opportunists, and they have no interest in advancing the existing pop template, only in becoming pop stars. They are your enemy and not The Futureheads

Also, the fact we are still talking about the Banshees now says it all. Who will give a fuck about Interpol in 2030??? i cant imagine some future thread in 25 years from now debating forgotten copy bands from 2005 that were top shop fashionable for 3 months

As I've said, it's right that bands should disappear shortly after releasing their modernity-defining (I should never have used the word "era") singles, rather than out-stay their welcome. It may be testament to the fact that the Banshees did out stay their welcome and became old and embarrassing and part of the establishment, that no radical bands advanced on their example at the time. It has taken 25 years for this to happen

Interpol will live on if they inspire a new generation of young bands, and I think they will

Joy Division's sound was defined by the following:

Lead bass

Songs based around one consistent groove

Scratchy guitar

The low voice of their singer

The only common feature with Interpol is the last one. And the fact they both tucked in their shirts

I'm afraid recordings are what the majority of people use to judge a band' date=' simply because the quantity and location of live performances is very restricted.

I don't think it's a case of advancement in terms of improvement, because the bands you have listed, with a couple of exceptions, in my opinion, have not done so, neither in lyrical or musical terms. If you mean they have become more accessible for a modern audience, and sound less dated, then you are correct.[/quote']

I'm not talking about the sound a band makes either on record or live, but their image, style, their name, artwork, pronounciations, accents, locale etc. EVERYONE judges a band by these factors, but I'm the only one who admits to it

Again, what would constitute improvement? The alternative hits of our era have tunes and beats which are just as strong, so they can only improve by displaying new and modern ideas of song structures, recording techniques, lyrical forms and themes, and, yes, fashions

No, Psydoll, you played enough of Shaun's shit on Monday night, you don't need any more!

This is boring me now' date=' I'd rather be talking about the glorious Reds and Jimmy C.[/quote']

So would I. However, the Celtic game has significance for us, because we have no chance of getting Maloney after his sparkling performance when he came on!

2 weeks ago we couldn't make up our minds who to sign, now it looks like we'll be left with no-one

i am a consumer

pop music is a product

i buy it if i like what it erm......sounds like (radical thinking!!!)

it dosent matter if its a vinyl dance illegal remix bootleg thats not on release yet or a slice of re-issue Iggy from 1975

either way if I dig the sound and its got some element of unique or original going on it becomes 'essential'

No-one judges a band based solely on the sound on a CD' date=' but if we did, how would we decide what was worth listening to? Most songs have a beat and a tune to endear them to us, so what distinguishes them is whether they are progressive and contemporary. How can a 25 year-old Banshees record be progressive and contemporary? Well, they were until recently because very few mainstream bands had advanced on what they did. I know you disagree, but The Futureheads, Interpol, Bloc Party, The Faint, Liars, Arcade Fire and British Sea Power have now advanced on what The Banshees [i']et al started

I think it's pretty reasonable to hope for it as well since it's the same man that wrote/co-wrote all of the songs. Billy just shouldn't play them if he doesn't want to.

I don't see how something like '1979' or 'Try' date=' Try, Try' or even some Zwan stuff would jar that badly with the rest of the set...[/quote']

Now you're making sense. Altho, in a recent interview I read with him, he comes across as a religious nut. Maybe the spiritual sentiments of his new songs counter the god-hating sentiments of some Pumpkins songs.

My suggestions:

Freedom Come All Ye by Hamish Henderson. An anthem for all nations and peoples, but inspired by our own struggle for freedom

Or "A Man's A Man". It's got a stronger melody than any pop song, so it wouldn't take long to catch on

no

GOB - asshole tv

The Normal - T.V.O.D

And your phone number is.....?

You have a picture of me on your phone

I love Tom!! If I lived next to a boy like him I'd be all "ooooh" every day. But I'm not a lesbian.

I thought he was rather more attractive than she was making out. He reminds me of me

Awesome soundtrack. Fucking hipsters.

But what relevance does a 25 year-old Blondie release have to a contemporary 17-year old?

It's trash, but it's addictive

I'm afraid Ancient Mariner that your musical theories really are pretentious babble.

Sure, but they pass the time

Opening a door with both hands

What, even double doors? I believe I do that with certain aplomb

I'd say:

-drinking pints of lager

-wearing fake tan

-eating sandwiches

-earrings on men

-toothy smiles