Man, this whole thread is like the blind leading the blind. How borrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggg is it to listen to people go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, AND ON, about 'standards', and 'professionalism' when noone really knows what they're talking about... I think we should all move to Glasgow, form shite alt-rock/subgenre/subgenre/subgenre bands, tour the country for 8 years, get 6000 tatoos, constantly focus ourselves, learn how to drum in 15/8, develop a backwards singing style and piss around on our high-horses talking about how blinded the rest of the world is to our innovative style. Only then will we truely have become accepted. Also, remeber that the ONLY way you can do things is DIY. Plus, Steve Albini MUST produce our record. And we should only release it on a label that hand-prints vynil in stables, on fire. And thou shalt only make 4 copies! Urrrrrrrrrrrr... Need... fresh... brains.... urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... I'd rather listen to a pub-rock Oasis cover band than some of these arrogant, totally idiotic and unoriginal idiots. Actually, fuck that, i'm going to listen to Bruce Springsteen. Have fun! PS. Sorry, I never post. In fact, I never usually visit but did today and found the same stupid discussion with arrogant, boring people dictating to others exactly how bands should do things and what standards they should have. I'm sorry Stuart, it's nothign personal, I just hate these sorts of things.