rune

eh? what?

I am sure i heard someone saying craig had lost his voice again

Minus' current material isn't exactly U2, is it. If you want to generalize to that extent, you could claim that hardcore IS rock music.

You sir, are speaking out of yer arse.

Looks like the only arse is you, since i was stating minus's new material is from the rock genre and that i was also making the point that bands like u2 from the same genre make way more cash than the hardcore genre would. I never compared the two musically, i only stated they come from the same genre. I think i would better hand back your arse simply because you do it well enough yourself

Now tell me how does it fit lol

Has this not been cancelled?

Just wondered if a - my aereogramme ticket from january 2006 is valid! b - if you have printed any tickets for the antimaniax 2003 gig? c - Is the bread in asda cheaper!

I give up. You're an idiot.

Only idiots claim that hardcore outsell rock. I guess bands like u2 dont have more financial gain! Come back when you have a clue! Hahaha

These days? Hardcore, easily.

Maybe they really liked the game. I'd let any song I'd written go on a game soundtrack, if I liked the game. If Minus' change in style was financially driven, why move from Victory, one of the biggest independent labels in the world; to an unheard-of Icelandic label?

Since when did musical genre equate to morality? Aren't you the selfish one for turning your back on a band and calling them assholes because they changed in a way that you didn't like? There are loadsa bands that I love that have changed, in my opinion, for the worse (The Backyard Babies immediately spring to mind), I just don't buy their records anymore, I don't see them as having sold out.

Got a copy of 'Jesus Christ Bobby' somewhere, but I don't listen to it much because I prefer 'Halldor Laxness'. I liked them live when they were more of a hardcore band, they were immensely fucking loud.

Now, I'm making an assumption here, but I figure I have much more real-life experience of the music industry than you do; and therefore, I'm a bit more qualified to comment on the inner workings of a band. If my (more informed) comments are "hearsay", what are yours? You've made an assumption that Minus made a conscious decision to change style in order to sell more records. You don't know that for sure anymore than I know they didn't.

The upshot is, if you don't like Minus now, don't buy their records. And leave out the ill-informed "sell out" bullshit anytime anyone on here mentions them.

1 - Hardcore doesn't outsell rock, are you that out of touch?

2 - Liking the game? Oh please are you that ignorant not to know that electronic arts make the decision? Obviously they got offered more money to move, that not come into your head?

3 - I called them assholes because, they didnt care enough to reply to my emails. Made me think why i supported them in the first. Don't you think bands should listen to what their fanbase has to say? I still believe that in minus changing their style does nothing to support the original fanbase, their style has gone from one extreme to another and i think it's way to big a swing musically for their fanbase not to ask the question why. I asked them why make this change and they simply couldn't reply.

4 - Fair enough but seems like you don't particulary like their harsher original sound. True enough though when i saw them live too it was the band of the night for me

5 - My comments are based on the bands lack of responce to my various emails. Tells me they have something to hide. You don't need knowhow in the musical industry to see that.

But what i do know is that in changing from hardcore to rock minus did move to a better selling and wider known genre, i think that speaks volumes. I would also suggest that in the bands unwillingness to reply, that this change was a record lable decision.

Yeah mightly good game

Oop, steady on lad

I don't really believe that a label would cause such a change in a band if they didn't like the music they ended up playing. Or I'd like to not believe it could happen anyways. Wouldn't it be easier to sign a band already playing that type of music and drop Minus? Either way you've still got the first records and I'm sure plenty of alternative bands to listen to in the mean time. Least of all the new Neurosis

Maybe you should look at this site

Downhill Battle - Music Activism

Thumbs up neurosis

Lets me think band driven lables are the way forward too

They don't care about their fanbase and are selfish assholes because they continued producing music based on what you'd assume most bands are formed for? Making music that you yourselves as a band like? o_O

I don't really follow Minus as much as I did before but they were never THAT massively original were they? Care to elaborate on that at all please?

Who is to say that the record lable put pressure on minus? It does happen you know.

For me i really couldn't find a band that had a similar sound from their first two cds.

But y'know what? I've never heard Minus on the radio since they changed their style. Or before. And why would they want to get on the radio if it wasn't to sell more records? Isn't that financial gain? You haven't thought your argument through very well now...

Do you belive that a band has a duty to its fans to keep producing the same music forever? Because I don't think that makes you much of a fan to be honest, you'd rather the band stifled their own creative urges to keep their hardcore fanbase happy, which is bullshit. I highly doubt that the members of Minus sat down and said: "Let's make a commercial radio-friendly rock record" (which 'Halldor Laxness' ISN'T!); more likely thet said: "We're sick of screamy hardcore, it was fun, but we wanna do something a bit different."

And people who throw the term 'sold out' around are usually:

a) idiots

b) have no or little experience of what being in a working band is like.

Tell me what sells more, rock or hardcore? Tell me why minus featured on ea sports then after changing their style? So you don't think bands should have morals and stick to their user base by remaining loyal to the people who supported them? I choose not to support minus because they dont care about their fanbase, they are selfish assholes. Do you support people who are selfish?

Minus had an original sound, now they dont. tell me what does that say?

For the THIRD time i will ask, did you like minus's first two cds? I guess that makes you as ignorant as them. Stop second guessing and putting words in their mouths. Tell me how often you say things that are hearsay and from your own mouth in order to TRY and base an argument?

Pig Destroyer, Lair of the Minotaur, Mastodon, and one of Wino's bands all had music on one of the more recent Tony Hawk games. On a hiding to nothing as usual, non?

Since i didnt mention various bands and singled out minus as my argument, your point simply doesn't count

I went for the nintendo wii because it offers something new. I got real sick of playing updates and clones. I have always felt nintendo make the most original games that you get alot of fun playing. In the current next gen war i also feel nintendo has made the most innovative machine. where as microsoft and sony have went the easy way of just upgrading the graphics and sound.

Eventually i can see the console market outpricing itself with the advances in technology unless companies like microsoft and sony try something different, which i dont think they can. End of the day if you want graphics and sound get a pc. For me the console market is different

I disagree with rock n roll being selly-out over hardcore. For example, you wouldn't exactly say that the Hellacopters are more commercial than Converge... I bet the latter's profits and media coverage are waaay bigger.

Would you honestly expect the likes of converge to get more media attention and airplay?

Out of the two bands you have mentioned, which would you think would get put on top of the pops?

For example when minus changed their style, they even got their music media endorsement via electronic arts with their music in their games. Would you seriously expect their original material from their first two cds to be put in other ea games?

They changed and developed their style, I haven't seen them jetting around in private planes advertising MacDonalds....

selling out doesnt mean making financial gain, it means changing your style to a more radio friendly sound. Minus sold out by turning their backs on their original fanbase and their original sound to a far more commercial approach

You still haven't answered my question to wether you liked their first two cds

I think Tiny went bust didn't they?

mmmmmm busts!

Sorry! Kick me in the balls if it makes you feel any better.

I have very bad humour!

Ha ha - knew you'd hate it Rune! Not your thing, eh?

Jonny Lucifer was at the Minus/Charger show with me "back in the day" at Kef, but is obviously gonna like the Rock n Roll Minus stuff more. I'm sure we already debated the "Minus sell out/don't sell out" thing to death.....

I do like other genres but dont get me wrong, i still dont understand their stance.

God knows why they went from one extreme to the other. I even emailed them about this and got no reply. I guess they dont care enough to bother. Ah well

Can't find it either, where is the link on that site? Hope it's as GREAT as their last record.

Thank god i dont have the music taiste you have! haha

Minus were good until they sold out. So much for staying loyal to the fans that supported them early doors. Did you like their first two cds?

Ive played all three. Motor Storm on the PS3 was fucking shit. I nearly broke my elbows trying to use its fucking terrible motion sensor controller.

Try playing 9 hours of wii then work the next day! Robotic implants would of come in handy. I had to stop playing my wii for days due to my fucked arms lol

oh balls can't find it!

i hope it aint as shit as the last cd!

[EDIT]

It is even worse!

can't stop listening to it!! Since day one it's all i have had on lol

shame that gansta motherfucker didnt post his real address so everyone could fly over and shove various things up his ass!

I thought Sony has prevented auction sites like eBay from selling import PS3's to Europe. A lot of people suspect this is why they really shut down LikSang.com.

Good point

It says March, so is it out yet?

You had a listen? Through download or anything. Will have a look for it tonight.

yeah got a promo release without watermarks!

Fuck vista, i really cant see where microsoft get off, they claim your games will look and play better when in reality this new os requires more power and has very little third party support with available working drivers. Also with dx10, this ms bullshit saying that its exclusive for vista is bullshit. It has been found out that dx9l for older versions of windows is the equivalent to dx10. Good old lying microsoft, they speak through their arse in order to get more cash.

a r t i s t : Neurosis

t i t l e : Given to the Rising

d a t e : 2007

l a b e l : Neurot

c a t : NR050

g e n r e : Metal

r l s. d a t e : Mar/2007

t r a c k s : 10

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Neurosis

Given To The Rising ltd. CD/CD/DLP

Neurot Recordings

Neurosis needs no introduction. The Bay Area's legendary

masters of behemoth, psychedelic operatic guitar girth has

influenced a wide array of artists and nearly singlehandedly

defined vast extremes of heavy music popular today. However,

now in its third decade, Neurosis' latest album finds the

group's sound transforming yet again so dramatically that even

to diehard fans, Given To The Rising might seem starkly

different, a stunning reintroduction.

Given To The Rising is like being submerged in an isolation

tank -- it's enveloping, subverting the senses with surreal

visions we'd swear were our own, cleverly jarring and

disorienting consciousness beyond any footing in reality. As

any diehard Neurosis fan will tell you, there's a moment with

every new record and live show at which the band will stop as

if the world has frozen in position, then suddenly kick into

the primordial wail that we've all come to recognize as the

"Neurosis note" that forces the listener's head and shoulders

to lurch and sway almost uncontrollably. Given To The Rising

is Neurosis at its most captivating and hypnotic.

Put simply, the album is some of the band's most raw and

immediate material to date, but it is also more complexly

orchestrated and richly thickened with psych-damaged

overtones. Given To The Rising is more than a just a powerful

collection of songs -- it's more like a religious experience.

While personal epiphanies are repeatedly told by those who've

been converted by Neurosis' sensory overloading live show as

well as its recordings, there's a hypnotic quality to this

album that takes hold from the opening guitar squall of the

title track.

Once again recording with revered engineer and longtime friend

Steve Albini (as the band has for five previous albums,The Eye

of Every Storm in 2004, A Sun That Never Sets in 2001,

Sovereign in 2000 and Times of Grace in 1999), Given To The

Rising bears the band's signature crushing heft and cathartic

force. However, it also finds Neurosis delving into

increasingly psychedelic effects and twisted, inventive song

structures. Much of the dramatic lull of recent works is

forgone in favor of full-on attack. While it's reflective of

the band's signature aggressive pummeling, Given To The Rising

is not just an exercise in Wagnerian thunder. Neurosis instead

takes an exploration into psychoactive prog-rock and

eviscerating symphonic thud that moves well beyond anything

that might fit snugly within a particular genre. It's as

though the band has taken cues from such psych-noise

predecessors as Hawkwind, Faust, Skullflower and Chrome,

merged those elements with the sickening frequency assault of

Throbbing Gristle and then submerged them within Neurosis'

saturated sonic strata.

"We stand encircled by wing and fire" growls

vocalist/guitarist Scott Kelly, opening the album and its

title track, the band's heels already dug deep in the dirt,

blasting forth in all directions at once. It's as though we

join the battle already in progress, and by all means we have

-- Neurosis has fought hard to maintain its sovereignty not

just in the music business, but as a boundlessly creative

entity consisting of Kelly, guitarist/vocalist Steve Von Till,

bassist/vocalist Dave Edwardson, drummer Jason Roeder and

keyboardist Noah Landis. The band brought keyboards to heavy

punk. It brought experimental noise to metal. It merged

antique droning folk with Black Flag's desperation. All the

while, forging onward toward new means to explore the infinite

realms of catharsis and self-transformation, while myriad

bands simply follow in its wake.

The guitars grunt and groan like sinister beasts on "Fear and

Sickness", propelled by Roeder's clever rhythmic shifts

delivered by thunderous, rollicking tom beats that lunge into

half-time thumping kick drum and snare blasts. "To The Wind"

opens with a deceptively delicate, albeit forlorn melody

unlike anything we've come to expect of the band, which is

abruptly choked off at the 2-minute mark by one of the most

brutally sudden shifts of mood and tempo. A slight, barely

audible growl hints at the change to come, but when a wall of

chiming bent-notes and drop-tuned sludge guitars, paired with

a stomping beat erupt over the melody, it's truly monolithic

in impact. Edwardson slings heavy low-end distortion over the

top with howling bent notes adding powerful harmonic

overtones. But, perhaps the highlight of the song comes during

a brief respite, when Kelly lets out an astounding

29-second-long throat-curdling scream at the song's climax.

Von Till's rasping whisper sounds downright haunting over the

rhythmic churn and Landis' syrupy tones on "Hidden Faces"

prove ample evidence to the band's latest evolutionary step.

"Through eyes of the wheel I will see you coming," Von Till

howls, the band erupting in consensus.

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01-Given to the Rising [08:56]

02-Fear and Sickness [07:14]

03-To the Wind [07:38]

04-At the End of the Road [08:25]

05-Shadow [02:26]

06-Hidden Faces [05:33]

07-Water is Not Enough [07:03]

08-Distill (Watching the Swarm) [09:14]

09-Nine [02:29]

10-Origin [11:49]

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70:47 min

AWESOME!!