KimyReizeger

yer afffy deep.

bet you think still game is social commentry as opposed to a funny tv show or summat. can i borrow your notes?

I just think that the only product of this question is a moronic, circular non-debate.

Still Game is allright, but the last series was garbage.

George Carlin.

I don't think they were overated. I think they had some classic tunes. It also makes me wonder why someone would ask if they are overated. Is it because their songs were not superduper technical etc?

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They are over-rated because the practice of elevating people to super-human status on the basis of music is stupid and representative of our society's tendency to find meaning by clinging onto celebrities, sob-stories and the kind of rags-to-riches fame everyone believes they can emulate.

That is a tremendously naive opinion. The two go hand in hand, and in the checkered history of pop music, it has always been so.

the fact that music and image are inter-twined was precisely what I was referring to, merely (once again) making the point that image and all associated bollocks is no criteria on which to judge music, and the fact that pop is littered with this nonsense is testament to the impossibility of obtaining an objective, non-biased view-point and answering the initial question! Someone said this is a good topic for a thread. It's not; it's crap, its only use is to highlight our own inability to think without the chains of conventional bullshit wisdom.

As for the original topic, I've heard way more people say that they think Nirvana are over-rated than I've heard say that they were the best band of all time. It would seem to me then that the only reason they are over-rated is because everyone thinks they are? o_O

I actually think it's an impossible question, one that can never be answered through 100 or so 'they got me into music' type opinions. The concept of 'rated' is absurd as everyone perceives everything differently - there is no collective view point. No-one has a pure sense of music, all are in differeing degrees influenced by image and the tendency to 'use' music - to consolidate personality traits, to be accepted, to dance etc.

So, as I said, in musical terms there is no doubt that they are over-rated, an 'over-rated-ness' that has developed, I feel, due to an over-inflated, irrelevant aspect of the band - image. Initially, the mind associates 'bands' with 'music', not image, so the fans of the image (in their millions) perceive themselves as fans of the music when in fact their subconscious is going through an identity crisis and couldn't give a toss about texture, technique, rhythm.....

And Jimboo: Whatever way round, image pollutes any sense of true value, and because it's an image fostered, cultivated and massively publicised to make as much money as possible (at a time when America was on the tail end of a cocaine crisis and heroin-chic was all the rave) you simply can't believe whatcha read in the Goddamn papers!

My view of Nirvana, is that the quality of the sound they produced, can in no way come close to the great esteem it is generally held in. I can't really see how anyone can argue against that, considering the mass of other, non-musical things that gave rise to Nirvana's popularity and seem to affect peoples' perception of 'the music', which is all we here care about....right?

Some of the guitar bits sound ok, but are a bit muffled in places. Musically it just sounds like an bad reflection of your influences. I think that it's possible to write emotional songs without saying and sounding it so explicitly, and I think most people with taste are beyond being touched by over-used, typical chord progressions and lyrical cliches.

The Kaiser Chiefs...are....so......bad.

Would it not be true to say that that opinion can be attributed to many albums with many albums within that particular spectrum of music though?

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I've no idea; I'm not sure what the spectrum is.. It tries to hit the emotions, yet repeatedly conveys just the one: gushy, romantic self-importance.

Failing that, Boards of Canada's Geogaddi is brilliant for that eerie ambient effect.

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I disagree. I think it tries far too hard to be exactly the sort of thing people seeking emotional or enlightening journeys would enjoy. I find the whole thing really cringeworthy now; it's impossible to listen without thinking yourself pretty big and clever.

Ah sawcutter, yes. Sorry.

Onward:

How does a cross destroy Jesus?

I wish someone posted a screwdriver after my metal cutter.

Bit big, sorry.

I know it's the absolute cheapest thing on the market, but still even then I would expect it to do the basics.

Herein lies the problem..

In my experience, anything under 200 first-hand is made for people who have never touched a guitar before - full stop - and don't appreciate what a guitar is required to do (i.e stay in tune). You'd probably be better off not trusting major, budget guitar manufacturers to deliver quality in the future: their profits rest on the naivety of the un-informed. It's a shame you've wasted 150 or so, but just be glad you didn't fall for the 'RG' range...

Gio, the cheapest of the cheap, absolute rock-bottom model right? What did you expect? This thing is literally balsa wood glued together by a chimpanzee!

He looked at me out of the corner of his eye...like he was just checking for fans or something.

Heh..Barry Nicholson did the exact same to me on Union Street the other day.

I don't plan to earn money. Money is for capitalist pigs. University taught me that. Where's my Guardian?

BUT this is West Ham after all, anything that causes them further disruption is only a good thing in my book .

What's so bad about West Ham? I always had them down as cheeky, almost-lovable scamps..

no Moshulu only plays good music.

I'm getting that framed.

Stop working and go full-time writing erotic short-stories.

8bit is basically gameboys. Not sure what genre you could class them as now..

Hugely popular handheld video game machine developed in the nineties by forward-thinking Japanese company Nintendo, now bizarrely enjoying a stint as 'retro' icon for myspace-obsessives with dramatic photos, fashionable clothes and over-worked hair?

Just finished Freakonomics, in which the economist Steven Levitt applies the tools of economic theory to unusual topics such as 'why do drug dealers still live with their mothers', and, 'what do sumo wrestlers and teachers have in common'. It's all about analysing data and considering peoples' incentive to act in certain ways, to understand situations and phenomena and not resort to conventional wisdom and commonly held beliefs that are often wrong.

I for one am suggesting you're just not funny

..all I wanted was some further insight into all the 'problems' the 'agricultural community' is having 'these days'?