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Originally posted by Philip:

This is money and greed getting in the way of someone being creative!

It certainly is.

To get yourself noticed nowadays you've got to be creative, and nicking one of the biggest-selling-bands-ever sounds, not just a bit but a whole album, and telling the world you have, in the full knowledge that the owner of the mechanical copyright will slap a nice little court order on you, is certainly creative. The public like a bit of legal wrangling.

As for musically creative, where's the real creativity in not producing a single note on your own, merely rearranging other peoples. A bit mathematical. I think anyone truly creative would have quickly got frustrated with the limited palette.

Originally posted by Tav:

Yeah I agree too...though other effects do cause changes in tone. Wah basically being a giant tone knob with a wider sweep than the one on your guitar. Distortion adds harmonics so that should change your tone too?

The basic sound of a guitar is tone, the sound of a guitar with effects is sound. It is a tricky definition (try looking it up in the dictionary) but after years of reading/listening to guitar players talk about it that's the conclusion I've come to.

Getting back to an earlier point you made, there's no such thing as 'crap' tone. Something thay might sound shit on it's own may sound just right when mixed in with other sounds.

Originally posted by Tim BENCH:

Speak to Andy Stewart. He's the bald sleazy one who does the KABUKI thing. He organises The Belmont cinema cafe gigs and the mon night acoustic sessions at henry j beans.

his number for any one else wanting to do acoustic (because he's always looking. Its easier to find a band in aberdeen than it is a singer songwriter.)

Tim, personal info,

Originally posted by Tav:

I was trying to describe who the isntrument sounded rather than pitch specific. For example a certain mape neck may promote certain frequenices and when combined with other woods and parts who promote the same or different freuquenices it can produced a nice tone or a crap tone. Wood and the materials a guitar is made from are very important in defining the tone be it bright, dark, well rounded, brittle etc etc. Those words describe certains tones? And those tones are create by certain frequenices being pronounced or dulled. A guitar with a bright sound would have alot of high frequenices being produced and a brittle sounding guitar might be the same but with less bottom to the sound?

I see what you were getting at now. Maybe because I think of frequency more in terms of sine waves, and tone in terms of the complicated way all the harmonics work together. some of this comes from the guitar, some from the amp.

I disagree with reverb being used as a definiton of tone. A guitars tone doesn't change when you keep it in the same room but change the acoustical properties of the room.

Originally posted by Tav:

No tone would just be the frequency something produces and what those frequencies sound like.

I think what he's talking about is nearer 'timbre'. Tone, when talking about guitar, seems more about how the instrument sounds rather than a pitch-specific definition. A lot of it's in the harmonics.

Or two semi-tones.

Originally posted by Frosty Jack:

Christ, that explains a lot. I played at that very gig in my own band, and got banned from all council venues after it. But we thought that was just for swearing a bit, and our singer flashed his bits a couple of times. We got some real shit after that from everyone saying we had played 'smoke on the water' when we hadn't, and we couldn't understand it at the time. So it's his fault then? I'd say that's worth a pint or two...

The Venue was indeed great, I played there a few times, and saw some amazing bands, but it was mostly just a fantastic place for a night out. Like Jim says, it was a total mix of all kinds of Aberdeen's finest freaks, with no real trouble that I remember. Imagine Drakes but 200 times bigger.

And there was a lot more to the 'scene' in the early nineties than Men Lie and Kill the Doc, good though they were. Basically I reckon the whole 'scene' thing was really kicked off by the 'Big Bang at Bonkers', which was a huge gig at what is now Liquid, and all organised by the bands themselves, coming together to help each other out for the first time. It's all in the book 'Fit like New York'.

I played the piper alpha gig too. We just got back from a gig in Poolewe and were in no condition to play, thanks to some kind german tourists who were staying in the same B&B giving us a bottle of whisky at breakfast. We got some nice hats though.

Originally posted by torn:

Yeah but they must have caved in the realisation they jsut weren't going to win due to the size of the theartre.

Before they had the capability to sack half the people, they wouldn't move to a theatre that small, or they would rip out some stall seats and deal with the orchestra that way. How it costs 1600 a week to run a computer confuses me as well. I prefer the little idiosyncracies of live performersl, fuck sake it's a live musical. Buy the CD if you want perfection.

Boycott the show.

That's omly my opinion though, accountants may see it differently.

Originally posted by Aaron Gilman:

when some floppy haired premadonna, was acting like some kind of mega star poser?

Yup.

p.s. primadonna

Originally posted by torn:

Is there not some way for the monitors to be more secure on the stage at Kef? I mean, they're just sitting right on the edge with nothing really holding them in a safe place, the slightest nudge forward and it's on the floor. Shouldn't the be a little backwards L thing ( _| ) thing that could keep the monitors on the stage more securely?

No. The venue is not just used for gigs, such an arrangement would be dangerous. As for 'the slightest nudge forward' bit, they've only fallen once to my knowledge.

Was there not a strike by broadway musicians recently over the same thing.

Phillip, flutes are one of the easiest things to synthesize, you'd be first in line for a P45.

Originally posted by alex.:

but you weren't...i spied you...mehe...

was the show good then? d-rail played afterall as i saw them in moshulu afterwards.

They did play. Another communication problem. (Someone fucked up and it wasn't in Aberdeen)

Originally posted by GraemeC:

I only ask because its amazing how many people replace perfectly good machine heads for no reason, there are 101 things that can cause tuning instability that should be looked at before replacing the pegs...

G...

No.1 Reason: too much winds on the post.

No.2 Reason: Strings overlap on posts.

The only bit that did blow me away was when I was talking to stuartmaxwell, I got out of range of the noise before that and stupidly went into the middle of the room to wind up maxi 20 secs before they went to warp speed. But only at the end.

p.s. They weren't very amiable and turned up with all the equipment 45 mins before the first band were due on.

Originally posted by alex.:

wasn't it the old oscars on union street which was to be turned into a large venue,

The 'old oscars' as you call it, was the capitol, which was a large venue. Proper venue.

You don't get venues like that anymore, accountants rule the live scene and health and safety guys are the little demons making everyone elses life stupidly difficult. Cunts!

Originally posted by stuartmaxwell:

oh yeah and 750 is the capacity of esko

i work for the pr company who used to print flyers for them and give them flyer staff

I've only been in Esko once and rather the worse for wear I was, but as I recall, there isn't a space in that building which would be fire regged for more than about 350 tops. Lots of floors, no big spaces.

It is similar to the Cathouse though.

Plastic glasses, pay to play, techs even stricter than me. Aberdeen ain't ready.

Originally posted by Tam o' Shantie:

every day i add to the list of people

who can kiss my ass

and imagine mr W

sucking the fuck out of it

Does Mr W know of you feelings for him. Andrex would surely be more appropriate otherwise.

Originally posted by mylegionsscream2:

small venues are so much better

they hav so much more atmosphere

They certainly do, mostly the crappy bits.

This is an air-conditioning joke. Twoback Joe will understand.

Originally posted by CraigDDG:

yes...every time...

Wow...that sounded so much like bob or kai should have said it...HACKERS!

No Craig, that doesn't even approach the amount of SLEAZE those guys can put into every syllable. I bow in their presence.

Originally posted by CraigDDG:

and blindfolded in the back seat of a transit..

Better in his daughters comfy bed:]

Originally posted by CraigDDG:

Yeh yeh...blah

Want me to start a band called "The Bronze Medal Winners" to help out??

Seriously...that would be a great name for an emo band

done done and done

I need a bassist and a drummer...anyone?

Come join me...The Bronze Medal Winners

Does that mean we'd have to cum third all the time?

Originally posted by GraemeC:

Can you guess?

That was no guess.

Worst van fuck-up- Coming back from Loch Lomond after setting up for Oasis. Hire van fucks up, spend 3 hours til it gets light to find water in a stream, gakets blown, feed the van a bottle of oil every 10-12 miles, get home 12 hours late.

Reason for fuck-up: Bulb blown on the dashboard, couldn't see the oil temp gauge. Hire company had just lost AA membership for being a bunch of sketchy bastards. How frustrating do you think it is to have an info pack with an AA membership number, the only phone in miles is AA, but they won't phone anyone else for you.

(I did get revenge on the owner of that company but he probably hasn't realised it was me. Revenge is best served anonomously)

I'm still having problems with Bronze. I'm sure there was a band with that in it's title but I may just be thinking about Bronze records, which had the ascent of man pic on the labels.

Originally posted by CraigDDG:

I'm taking it up one sound engineer at a time...guess who's first Christie

Take it up with the punters first, us poor downtrodden SE's will follow like little lambs.

Aye! Like fuck.

It's not my fault if everyone pronounces it greenday and not green day. They do, you know they do, take it up with the world.

I'm off to work. Here's my list:

Black Crowes

White Stripes

James Brown

Red Snapper

Pink Floyd

Orange Juice

Tangerine Dream

Greenday

Blue

King Crimson

Deep Purple

Yellow Sundays (I struggled with that one)