Cloud

It's a long trek from Essex to Captain Tom's to see some bands you've been slating in this thread for the past few days.

Not really, I still live in the city in the summer months and can't think of any reason that I won't be there in July...

And limited silk screen prints of the poster? My my my....what a waste of money.

Anyways, back to the gig: I'm quite keen on a couple of tickets for this.

Me too, though I don't know if I'm going to be able to attend.

Quite fancy seeing what all the hype is about:up:

I didn't say anything cos you were working the door. Considering how much you like to report me to moderators you'd probably do the same with the bouncers. Quite simple really.

I'd have laughed in your face to be honest, anyone sad enough to hold grudges against someone based on posts on a forum really needs to examine their life. Funny though, I'm certainly not scared of any middle class local hero.

And yes, I do speak for everyone. You're a cock.

I repeat, who was the coward that made big threats and then did nothing? Not me....

Piss off Cloud you psuedo intellectual feltcher ' date=' leave the big boys to talk good music please.[/quote']

Nah, I like it here. I quite like watching the group masturbation session, to be honest.

Really? So you have never said this about Archives....

I think I speak for everyone when I say Cloud, you're a fucking tool.

What's your point? Opinions can change - there's one track on Myspace that's actually quite decent musically. My opinion still stands about the vocals, though, but some of it isn't actually too bad.

And no, you don't speak for everyone, you only speak for your ignorant, shallow minded self. Wasn't it you that went round telling anyone that would listen that you were going to "bottle Cloud" - then didn't do fuck all?

Oh and let's not forget how you got someone to call me a wanker, because you were too much of a coward to actually do it to my fac.e

Get off the internet....

Risactonia were one of my first favourite bands in Aberdeen, anything similar is bound to be ace

Cloud, stop it. You're making yourself look like a prick. Again.

But it's so much fun watching people actually bother to defend a crappy poster!

Can't see Clyde coming up from Essex especially for it. He was going to' date=' but the poster put him off.[/quote']

Got it in one Jake...

No, I'm actually in Aberdeen when this is on, and I would've actually liked the chance to check out Archives. The ridiculous snobbery and self grandeur is offputting, though.

Man Essex must be well boring. I have lots of friends in Essex' date=' especially ones that can show you a good time if it comes to that.[/quote']

Do they know of a decent place to find music in/near Chelmsford? if so...tell tell tell! This town is beyond dreadful for live music...I was out a couple of Fridays ago and went to a place where 10 Easy Wishes have played in the past. I was hoping for something vaguely decent, but....it was dreadful

What's ethical about buying/selling tickets at face value? They're a commodity - and anyone with an ounce of sense (and a belief in the free market) can see that allowing commodities to exchange hands at a fair price, free of interference. If you consider that a lot of secondary agents will actually source difficult-to-obtain tickets, then it's fair enough.

And I suspect the only reason the music industry is crying about secondary agents is because they're not getting a cut of the (sometimes substantial) profits.

People who are really into this scene of music are going to know who maths, archives etc are to some extent and I don't see how putting myspace links on a poster will help promotion, its fairly common knowledge that all bands these days use myspace, popular or not, so whats stopping people finding the addresses themselves.

Shouldn't you try and actually convince people to come? If you're putting up posters, evidently word of mouth isn't

Because the whole point of a poster is to make it as clear and simple as possible. Would a small description or myspace link actually hurt? Nope...

What about the people who might be into the stuff, or who might be interested in checking it out (people like me for instance, who think Archives have decent music but poor vocals) - why alienate them for the sake of poor design?

You could, of course, just admit that this is a gig for a group of people that kiss arse.

I think its a fucking brilliant poster as do a few others. So everyone else please stop polluting my thread please, I'm trying to advertise a gig, not discuss "how shit you think the poster is".

Didn't you actually *start* the discussion on the poster by commenting on it?

And I'm still waiting to hear a positive comment from someone who isn't actually arse licking.

I really like the poster. Toms really is tiny' date=' so it doesn't need a poster trying to convince the masses to show up by rating the band's mums out of 10 in times new roman font. Imagine an alternative music gig poster not conforming to the dulux colour chart though. Disgusting.[/quote']

Who cares about Times New Roman? I've seen incredible designs that used very strange fonts...but they were designed by someone that actually had half a clue about design.

As for the colour chart - face it, it's absolutely dreadful. It screams "I don't know what I'm doing" - and I think any real designer would be ashamed to produce such a terrible piece of work.

If its done the job of deterring you going to gig, its a fucking brilliant poster.

Ahh, try harder next time...making statements like that to people that you don't even know in a vain attempt to impress people is rather pathetic

No. The gig is in Toms cos gigs in small rooms are ace. To get into the gig, you have to be one of the cool kids. It's not so much "there's not enough space" as it is "you're not part of our cool group of friends". Which you're not. So fuck off.

You just can't leave it, can you?

And what's the point in producing a badly designed poster if the gig isn't actually for the average person? Seems a bit pointless, doesn't it?

To be honest, I thought the Aberdeen music scene had grown up from the days when the only people that went to gigs were all mates with the bands. Evidently not.

I think I'm right in assuming that the "average person" can fuck off. Theres not enough space

Then space should be made. Considering you're working with a blank canvas, isn't it a bit absurd to say "there's not enough space" when space could have been planned for?

The designer goes to Gray's.

My, how standards have slipped.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

yeah ok.

Okay, where shall we start...

The writing is difficult to read, the use of lowercase for no apparent reason in "4th" makes it look awkward. Some of the effects with the font are absolutely terrible - and in all honesty, the font is entirely the wrong choice to begin with.

What's next...the green and yellow colouring of the band names is absolutely dreadful - did no-one teach the designer anything about colours in school? It looks garish and looks like something a kid would eat, not a poster advertising a show.

Nowhere does the poster give any information about the bands - maybe deliberate, but still, what makes this worth going to for the average person, especially considering that it's in Toms? Nowhere are there any details - not even myspace links. Which is surprising, considering WSBB are playing

The skeleton drawing is rather cool, however. It's a shame that it was ruined by frankly amateurish designing of the rest of the poster.

So. There we are. The poster has a cool element, but mostly it sucks.

Sorry mate, but that poster is absolutely shocking. It's badly designed, cluttery and just doesn't do justice at all. The skeleton is fine - but the text...? It's dreadful.

yeah, and the council wonders why it's skint? A friend of mine recently caught a farmer defrauding the council of about 100k, do they ever indulge in due diligence?

Note : He defrauded HM Revenue and Customs. Nothing to do with ACC, and in fact nothing to do with any devolved authority, but rather a UK institution.

Here's hoping you aren't responsible for the pointless abomination that is Moodle.

My uni just recently changed from perfectly functional, quite likable WebCT to the horrific Moodle. It's absolutely useless, even in the context of a tiny uni with about 900 HE students. I dread to think how it works in a much bigger educational setting :\

Being a pedestrian is amazing.

Is it? The freedom of being a pedestrian, compared to the freedom of being able to drive?

I wish I drove, the reliance on public transport (especially in the UK) is unbearable. Oh, and today...walked into town (3 miles?)..decided to get the bus back as it was hot, and was stung for 1.90 for the 3 mile, 10 minute bus ride.

Being a pedestrian is most definitely not amazing.

Agreed

A little SWOT analysis wouldn't go amiss now and again allowing for some a more defined direction, setting of objectives and goals...

It's 3am and I can't stop laughing at this, I had a rather traumatic Marketing exam on Wednesday that featured a SWOT analysis and..well..this quote cracked me up

Round about the 5.50 mark i think. Different bars, different wage but i would say that is a good average.

Not bad money at all, really, especially if it's paid to those under 22. I remeber a place where I once worked had a very interesting approach to glass collecting - the attitude was that glasses should only be collected if the bar wasn't busy, and that the bar itself shouldn't get cleaned until after the night was finished. Used to get rather entertaining watching people complain about being served in the 'wrong' glasses because all the other ones were lying dirty around the place.

Didn't help that the manager was also an incredibly negative person who had no interest in answering questions when the place was quiet - and a supervisor who likewise had a terrible attitude. Things got so bad that before I handed my notice in, the supervisor in question managed to create a huge problem by stepping in to 'deal' with someone that I was talking to. The person in question had too much to drink, and I was simply telling them in a polite way that although I thought they had too much to drink, they were welcome to get a soft drink or water. They agreed, when she came storming up and started shouting at him that he had too much to drink and to get away from the bar. Absolutely disgraceful attitude - and of course, being drunk, he told her exactly what he thought of her, then left with a large group of his friends.

Oh, and the place would overrule us bar staff when it came to serving alcohol to people who obviously had too much. And a notable night at an 18th birthday party where we were ordered to serve all guests and 'not to ask questions' about their age.

I might be pished and talking gibberish, but didn't something similar happen outside cafe drummond a couple of years ago? I seem to remember neds on a motorbike crashing into a bunch of people then.

Some little ned borrowed some (older) guy's scooter...we saw the kid come round the corner on it, then pull up beside the guy who he'd borrowed it off. We were watching in a "what's that little shite doing on a scooter with no helmet?" way, only to watch him accidentally smash the scooter right into the chip shop next to the belmont bar window. The kid got up and ran for his life onto a bus..Police turned up, me and a couple of mates gave a statement. Last thing we saw was the guy who owned the scooter get taken off in a police car.

Might not be the same incident, but I still regret not having rugby tackled the little ned to the ground. We had a perfect chance to do it, but didn't think fast enough to actually do it.

Wonder if the neds in this case got a beating?

Are many venues generally recipient of contractually signing you if your a small touring band? On that matter how many of you guys have played a gig in Aberdeen contractually? I've never actually played one, it's always been the paul kef way of "here's some tickets, go make money for me".

I'd really like to get in to contractually signing agreements with venues.

It definitely wouldn't hurt for contracts to be agreed upon - but I've heard of examples where bands have been expected to sign ridiculous contracts with huge fees if a band cancels, so you have to be really careful in what you're agreeing to.

The problem (as I see it) is that a lot of gigs are done as a hobby - any inspection by the taxman may see written contracts as proof of trade and therefore nail the promoter for taxes. If you notice, there's often very little in the way of a paper trail with small gigs - and I think this is somewhat deliberate.

How is that spam?

Because the person posting it is merely doing it to promote their own signing...in a not very subtle way.

My happiest memory of Kef is of a gig where some absolutely terrible only-on-the-bill-to-sell-tickets band were playing, and giving them a hell of a lot of stick for being absolutely terrible. Giving them hell in front of their 'fans' (read : neds) and nearly reducing their 'singer' to tears was quite possibly one of the funniest/worst things I've ever done. Being threatened by a bunch of kids to "shut up or else" was also bloody funny.

I only wish I could remeber who I was actually there to see...

Yep. Same way I think you're a cunt because of what I've read on here.

And of course, the whole spraying blood out of a syringe onto a camera. That should automatically deem anybody a cunt.

Rather blinkered, narrow minded view of your fellow man, isn't it? You don't know him personally, nor do you know what's going on inside his mind - it's obvious to everyone that he needs real help. But of course, it's far easier to sit and call heroin addicts 'cunts' from behind the safety of the computer screen than it is to actually try and get these people the help they desperately need.

I'm sure you'd like to be called a cunt too if you were in the depths of heroin abuse, by people that didn't even know you, but chose to form an opinion based on what the media says.

Agreed...but he's still an utter cunt.

Based on what assumption? What you've read in the media?

as far as i know ryanair wont let you use a driving license if you use the online check-in, but its fine if you check in in person.

strange i know but i know someone they refused after checking in online then turning up with driving license.

Ryanair.com - FAQS : What photo-Id do I need?

They shouldn't have a problem, it's likely the case that if someone at check-in (particularly at airports like Aberdeen) has a problem, then it's because the ground staff aren't Ryanair and don't know what they're talking about.