karl

Phils around, still involved with teaching guitar at Torry youth centre i think Scott died quite a few years ago - maybe 15. He was down in newcastle before that i believe. I was pointed to this with pat:

Skinny was the tall lanky punk from Kincorth. Wouldnt hurt a fly. You see him walking around Aberdeen with a grin on his face and a huge beard. He got badly beaten up apparently at some point and it seriously affected him. Skinny, Scott Sinclair, Phil beefy Robertson, Tweed were the ones i recall as the older punks. Phil was in The Hum.

I think gigs in general were. I still get amazed at some gigs that there is no trouble. Around that time, the Angelic Upstarts were playing at Fusion and there was a stabbing mainly as the dandy dons were competing with Celtic at the top of the league. This spilt over to the trouble at the Music Hall with the four be two's who had Defiant Pose supporting and whos roadies were wearing celtic shirts. The singer jumped into a crowd of Hilton boys and it just accelerated as the night went on. The Venue used to be rough, with kincorth sitting on one side and torry and others on the other. Even the reggae discos at St Ks were vicious at times. Those were the times we were in and you had to look after yourself. Generally if it were just the punks then there was no trouble. Remember there were not many nightclubs then. You had champers, mr g's had not long opened and Tatlers had a late license upstairs. So going to gigs was slightly different in that it was an excuse to have a later night which saw a lot of different factions. Punks were always chased by guys coming out of the lodge - now jimmy cheungs - and throughout the country there was a lot of trouble with riots, the NF, protests through to the miners strike. As for the 62, it was mainly Pat who stopped the trouble, once he stepped in then others would back him up. Him and Dod Copland went big time into the martial arts, maybe because of this? Not all the 'punks' were at the 62. There were the likes of Hen, Harper etc who were at the Harriet bar and then down to Valhallas along with Mike Craighead, Les Clark and the romantics/goths. You had the faces in each area and then the town punks like Marsh, Pat and Alice who was a skinhead. you'd find them at the star and garter. Drummonds came onto the scene around 88, mainly from Ian Slater of APB i think. Hen, Mike who worked for Aberdeen Promotions, were all involved. The pelican took over from the Bang Club and Fever opened with Clash fanatic Bruce Mills on the door. Both these places would bring in Pat to deal with things when it got too naughty. just some memories....

I recall the night. I was upstairs in the cafe with little annie Anderson when a call went out for Pat as there was trouble. I think the lead singer - a big guy - kicked Phil Gordons dog. I got into the hall downstairs just in time to see Freddy hit the singer. it then got calmed down. After you played or even during it it kicked off again and you lot got kicked out. You had an asian? skinhead with you who came back in and hit a boy called brian on the head with a tyre lever. I dont think anyone but Carnage knew who you were and they were in a right state.

I'm still in contact with Pat who teaches martial arts in his school near the beach. he has health issues at the moment which he seems to be beating. First met him at the Other record Store where him and many of the punks would hang out. I know he toured around with Crass but he set up the 62 for local bands and also started the Music Support Group which you still see in nearly every community youth centre in Aberdeen especially the Foyer and the Torry Youth centre. The profits from the gigs went on a new PA system and then the profits from that paid the likes of beefy robertson (Hum), Jappo (Carnage drummer?), Dek Stewart (Malfunction) to teach music skills to young punks who then went on to form bands. These guys are still doing this - I last saw Dek at Bruce Millars teaching. 1 up's Titch started his DJ career through the gigs at the 62. Pat would teach us how to use the PA system so each band was truly 'independent' His band, The Hum, were meant to have supported Spear of Destiny on their Aberdeen date but something happened between pat and the venue that was pretty nasty. Pat also helped organise the gigs at the Unemployment Festivals and was heavily involved in video and art at the Community Arts Association. He was about to put on Crass at the International Police Conference which got cancelled and Crass also split up. He put the Poison Girls on at St K's and ran gigs for a while in different venues before leaving it for others to carry on. He worked at nightclubs as a doorman for many years after that. He was mates in later days with Riley who was in Carnage and is now living in Australia i hear. I believe him, Fred, anna and some others were employed as storytellers at the library at one time! I can remember getting in a few few Cobweb gigs - next to the Prince of Wales before it got knocked down. There were a number of punks who died around the time and the scene drifted. I'll let him know the conversation is on here.