Kingbass

If this is how it is when some beehive'd borderline transvestite "heart of the nation" whose entire career was probably dictated by some fat cat in the big record office dies, I'm definitely turning off my mind when Jordan or her son Harvey pops it. Fuck sake this country really does have aids.

Roll on the endless tribute pages in all the social commentary magazines and "music" magazines.

Bring on gimps like Bono to tell us why drugs are ruining this great nations youth and how Amy Crackhouse was an inspiration to us all. Fucking bullshit.

STOP THE (MEDIA) MADNESS!

I wish I could go back to black sometimes....

Dude she may have not been an inspiration to you, but I'm sure she was an inspiration to others? Each to their own?

You have already criticised the quality of work these guys produce, hence the arguments in both threads you have heavily contributed towards.

You wouldnt buy a 6k kit to take it into the middle of nowhere to record it in a barn, that is the point, whereas my old premier royal kit, with 5 year old pinstripes on it would sound like someone hitting sticks against wet paper bags, so yes you would want to trigger it that is the point, most local drummer have very little clue about tuning and upkeep, we like hitting things, we dont go to Exile with a pitch perfect kit with brand new heads. Again tho you miss the point, yes you can get a good drum sound if you spend a while messing around wtih things, at Exile you dont have that, its not set up as a top of the market studio mark knows how he can work to produce good results, and he does that very well for what you pay. Its painless doing drums with him, and he can take any piece of shit kit and make it sound nice to the ears, again, most of the people booking recording time with Mark or Toms are usually not that flush with cash, they are cheap options compared to the hundreds of expensive studios you could choose, so mark uses a few tricks he knows to make a 200 recording sound like a 400 recording, whats the problem with that?

Musical snobbery is the worst thing in the world and the fact you have stuck your nose up at people who have worked with the Aberdeen music scene for over a decade and used what you see as their failings to promote your own work is a bad way to go about things.

Perhaps if you replaced the 5 year old pinstipes, and spent a little bit of time learning how to tune your kit properly, then you wouldn't have to trigger samples??

Thats fair enough, the snare to me sounded fake but ill easily take your word for it.

Well Indie, Metal or whatever have a variety of styles, but thats not the point, like it or not, the vast majority of bands looking to record in Aberdeen will be guitar bands, yes you may stumble across a few different things along the way but most of the people you will be hoping to become customers will play guitar based music, it would really help your cause if you had examples that show that kind of music off.

You miss the point with your last statement, you wouldnt go to Exile full stop if you could afford 6k worth of drums. Obviously if you spend that on gear you would want to record in a higher class of studio. The majority of bands going to Exile will have good enough guitars, amps and drums, but never as expensive as your making out.

Again ill point to the fact that you can criticise the way Mark from Exile, or Paul from Toms or Niall work and the quality they produce, but as people they are fantastic, you on the other hand come across completely differently, luckily for you this site is no where near as busy as it used to be, word of mouth in this small city gets about very quickly.

Can we get one thing straight here. I am not criticising the way any of those guys work. I've actually recorded at The Mill with various bands on numerous occasions over the years, and know Niall very well.

See an earlier post by Droid !! You don't need a dedicated studio area to produce a fantastic sound, just a bit of savy!! Your actually missing my point. I said that I wouldn't want to go into any studio with my kit just to end up triggering samples.

And no the snare on that track isn't fake. It was a Joe Montineri custom snare drum that I used on that track.

it also sounds like the drums are triggered to a certain extent so impossible to decide how good the accoutics you have are.

Now im not saying to prove your studio you must have recorded an Indie/metal/punk track or band, thats not the case at all, but if you go to any good web site for a studio it will have a variety of styles of music up there,

Mark at Exile is the same, a great guy to work with when you get to know him, yes he triggers drums, but so what,

Well for a start, the only thing triggered on the track you mentioned is the bass drum. I used a Fat Kat trigger pedal to trigger a 909 bass drum sample, but all the drums are played live by myself.

The second thing is about different genres of music produced by Exile etc. The only genre I see Exile producing is guitar based indie / metal or whatever. Not exactly a wide variety of styles now is it?

Triggering drums is quite lazy in my opinion. I for one would not want to go into a studio with 6K worth of drums and cymbals, only for the sounds to be replaced by samples. What would be the point in that? I'd expect the engineer to put in the time and get a sound from the kit. Ok triggering samples is perhaps saving a bit of time in the studio, but nothing beats the sound of a well recorded kit. All it takes is a well tuned kit, and the engineer knowing about proper mic placement etc.

Dude, that link was to another The Village Studio, in LA and that (not Lower Aberdeenshire), nae LeRoi here.

Lol !!

I think these days you can produce top quality recordings @ home,hence countless studios going out of business up and down the country.I suppose the attraction of a studio is setting up the full band and getting "live" recordings.

Agreed! You can obtain fantastic results at home with a bit of savy on the general recording process. However when it comes to tracking acoustic instruments, i.e. drums, brass etc you really do need a decent sounding space. No amount of top quality gear can help in that respect. Getting the source sounding right in the first place is the key to producing professional results, and it also makes the mixing process a shitload easier.

That thread closure yesterday should have been your chance to bury the frankly awful attempt to big up your own business at the expense of exposing what you perceive to be shortcomings in your competitors. Unfortunately, you appear to have come back with exactly the same attitude as before. How disappointing.

Any person halfway to being described as professional ought to know to keep negative opinions private unless asked (and even then express them tactfully). Why not stick to facts. What do YOU do? What equipment do YOU have? What services do YOU offer? What examples of YOUR work can YOU demonstrate? See the bits in capitals? That's the important part. If you had stuck to that in the first place then I'm sure you would have come off a lot better.

Don't bother coming back to with the "how much experience have you got of playing/recording/studios/etc?" gash that you have laid on other people. My answer is "very little", that's why I might have come to you? I don't get quizzed about my knowledge of couture when I go to the tailor. When's the last time a butcher laughed at you because you've never split a cow in two in your life? I certainly don't taunt and tease people who mess up their computers when I fix them. If I knew as much about recording as your exalted self then don't you think I'd be doing recordings myself? Belittling your potential customers is not a great way to drum up business. That was an opinion, by the way.

You are arrogant and obnoxious. This is a fact and/or an opinion, depending on whether I'm on the attack or feeling defensive.

Also, if you really, truly can't see where in your output of the past couple of days you have been slagging people (read: potential customers) and businesses off then you need help with more than just your communication and marketing skills. The customer is not always right, but the customer is king, Kingbass.

I agree in as much that I should have kept my opinions to myself. I have made my peace with certain individuals on here, so I'll leave it at that. I was speaking up for the chap who started the locked thread, as lets be honest here, he was set upon by a pack of wolves just becuse he piped up that he was offering an alternative to other studios. Like some of the other members who contributed to that thread, I myself doubt very much that he could achieve the same audio quality as big London studios with the equipment he has.

Putting all that buisness to one side for a moment, my current studio set-up has been tried and tested, and is capable of producing fantastic results. I can provide a quality service at a decent price becuase I don't have that many overheads to worry about.

When it comes to recording, the knowledge and experience of the engineer makes a huge difference to the final production.

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Ok thanks for the answer.

No worries!

I don't understand your hostility at all.

Do you not like Moombahton?

Electronic dance music isn't really my bag I'm afraid.

PMed.

Cheers !!

This guy is quickly becoming my favourite ever person on Aberdeen-Music since about 2002/3. Well done.

Glad your enjoying the show!!

Further examples, that perhaps are more indicative of the type of music I would wish to record at your studio?

What would be the point, as it will only get slagged off like the other tracks I posted. I've produced quite a bit of acoustic / folk material. I can easily send you a CD if you want to pm me a contact address.

But the bottom line is I don't care about your background; I care about what you can provide me as a customer.

Once again, I ask, do you have any further examples of output from your studio?

I've already put up 13 tracks?

Were any of these recordings recorded at your studio?

See above re: relevant examples.

I was only trying to give you some idea of my background as a musician, nothing to do with my studio.

Fuck it, i'll bite.

and who the fuck are you? You have mentioned world class, top quality bullshit since you got on here however long ago but you haven't shown a single shred of evidence or mentioned a single name. Deportees are a very well thought of band around aberdeen, they may not be lighting up the charts, but they are very good and well respected musicians in and around aberdeen as well as having individuals who did very well for themselves in other bands. Maybe nothing as big as world class, but they have solid evidence of being great musicians and a great band as oppose to you talking yourself up with nothing to show for.

How's this for a name? Worked on various projects with this chap!

Steve Anderson Productions

Also played with these guys for 2 years!! Wolfstone - Home

I should be able to say a band is shit or production is shit on a recording.]

I agree! Just like I should be able to air my views on studios!

Now that the other thread has been closed can we have some petty arguing in here please.

Em...... NO !!

Many thanks.

I got to track three and it was a toss up between listening to track four and killing myself so stopped.

Fair enough mate, it's not your cup of tea. One thing I will say is that some of the musicians on that album are world class. The whole concept of the album was based around Status bass guitars.

I don't exactly see your band lighting up the charts? Better if you stick to your light weight folk music, real ale, and beards!!

Did anybody else get a PM, or am I special?

Seriously, put up some examples of other tracks that you have engineered. One instrumental is not enough of a sample.

Sure!! Here's an album that I mixed and mastered.

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Kingbass:

Cheers for that Bellend!!

Are you going to post some other production work to back your claims? Please?

What's the point?

Wait wait wait. Are you arguing semantics with me? Are you trying to gain the upper hand in our exchange because I called a 'track' a 'song'? I could have gone through all of your posts and pointed out the laughable grammar, sentence construction and punctuation in great detail. Here's a tip; don't criticise somebody else's word usage when your own is no better than that of a primary school kid. The irony is that, in your patronsiing statement 'the track your talking about is actually an instrumental, and not a "Song", you misspell the word 'you're'. Kind of makes a fud of your point, doesn't it?

Yes, the track is Godawful; poorly constructed, incredibly boring, wishy-washy and instantly forgettable. It meanders along for 9 minutes with little dynamic; it is coffee-shop music. However, hopefully you were trying to illustrate the quality of your recording, and not your songwriting. The recording, as mentioned, is quite impressive. Please put up an example of your work in a more indie/rock environment. Soundcloud's sound quality is decent enough for this purpose.

As a matter of interest, how long have you been playing, and how much studio experience do you have?

You missed out the worrying undertone of "but you wouldn't know the difference because people in bands think shit sound is the bee's knees".

Stop being a knob and twisting things around. I never once said that the studios in Aberdeen were shit ? Get your facts right !!

Wait wait wait. Are you arguing semantics with me? Are you trying to gain the upper hand in our exchange because I called a 'track' a 'song'? I could have gone through all of your posts and pointed out the laughable grammar, sentence construction and punctuation in great detail. Here's a tip; don't criticise somebody else's word usage when your own is no better than that of a primary school kid. The irony is that, in your patronsiing statement 'the track your talking about is actually an instrumental, and not a "Song", you misspell the word 'you're'. Kind of makes a fud of your point, doesn't it?

Yes, the track is Godawful; poorly constructed, incredibly boring, wishy-washy and instantly forgettable. It meanders along for 9 minutes with little dynamic; it is coffee-shop music. However, hopefully you were trying to illustrate the quality of your recording, and not your songwriting. The recording, as mentioned, is quite impressive. Please put up an example of your work in a more indie/rock environment. Soundcloud's sound quality is decent enough for this purpose.

So now your saying that the Aberdeen music scene is all about indie and rock bands? Why don't you just crawl back under the stone you came from you silly little boy!! I'd like to hear your material to see if it's any better? I doubt that very much!!