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has it sold out then? I'm not sure if i'm gonna go and might sell my ticket. if anyone wants a camping one then get in touch...

This thread has managed to revolve around a pointless and daft debate. I added my tuppence worth and have since read it back and thought... what the fuck... and who cares...?

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Should be damn good though. Biffy as well yeah? Is anyone going, I'm going to Download so didn't have tickets. Shall have to get Steve to get Chino to sign something for me, maybe Steve's arse.

Wrong

The skill shown in a well executed game of football is comparable to art' date=' it is AN art. Art is everywhere, can be applied to many different thing depending on the context. Using a dictionary definition is pretty pointless as there is a school in contemporary art theory which is all about breaking the definition, changing what is art.

Maybe you could have your burrito and claim it is art, it is possible. Martin Creed's entry to the turner prize consisted of a piece of blu tac on a wall. There's blue tac on my wall, does that make it art? Yes, if I want it to be art it is art.

As for Creating beauty for the sake of beauty? If you think that is what art is you have no idea.[/quote']

Yes my buritto is art, as are my socks, and my telephone, and the grass outside, and the hills, and the oxygen I breathe and the bird song I hear, and the stars above, and the earth under my feet, the whole WORLD IS ART yes I see it now, the universe is actually just art pure and simple. Oh hang on, no it's not. You have to have boundries to art otherwise it's a totally pointless term. And my buritto is boundary.

Do you think dancing was cocieved as a sport?

No

Thinking back in my head to the earliest kind of dancing I can imagine, I think dancing was invented by fit Roman women to arouse men in Togas whilst they gorged themselves on some sort of ancient colonial burrito.

thats pretty insane stuff. You thought about taking it to the next extreme. Become a shredder of tha burrito? Maybe chicken aswell? and more salsa.

Oh yeah, I'm aiming to be the Yngwiwiwijweeieieiei Malmsteen of mexican snacks. In fact, I regularly scallop my tortillas, makes for faster eating and greater hold. I want to do for fillings what Van Halen did for tapping.

Only if it has more than 8 fillings. Meat, peppers, sour cream, cheese, salsa, tomato, red beans, lettuce. If you don't spill any then fair enough, you are a Da Vinci of the modern age.

1. Skill that is attained by study' date=' practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.

Playing football is a skill obtained from alot of practise, study and observation. Footballers which have studied their skill to a great extent get paid alot for it.

Acting is a skill obtained from alot of practise, study and observation. Maybe the actors in Eastenders are not the greatest of actors but I would still consider them art. Also as you stated, Art is a form of entertainment, we are entertained by the art of the actors in Eastenders.

1. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.

footballers employ certain methods to perform their sport - or art. Which in turn entertains us. If footballers are practising their methods on the pitch, surely they are creating art?[/quote']

You are not wearing your common sense bunnet! When they say there is an art to eating a fajita without spilling any of that glorious salsa tainted filling, it doesn't mean it is ART! I am the master of eating mexican with minimum fuss, but I do not claim to be a fuss, or enter myself into the Turner prize every time I eat a burrito. Maybe I should if you were a judge. There may be an art to dribbling the ball etc, but FOOTBALL IS NOT ART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucking hell, does the circus never end? How long can you flog a dead horse eh?

Entertainment is a form of art. And Art is a form of Entertainment

Art is a form of entertainment' date=' but entertainment isn't a form of art.

technically yes

I seriously ask anyone seriously - without their philosophical hat but with their common sense bunnet on - to tell me Eastenders is art. You have to have boundries otherwise everything can be classed as art, which is just silly.

Does it not?

NO!

Here is a definition for art;

art1 (rt) pronunciation

n.

1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

2.

1. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.

2. The study of these activities.

3. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.

3. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.

4. A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.

5. A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.

6.

1. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.

2. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.

7.

1. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.

2. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice (Joyce Carol Oates).

8.

1. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.

2. Artful contrivance; cunning.

9. Printing. Illustrative material.

Football, nor Eastenders, does not come in to it. Creating beauty for the sake of beauty; somehow I don't think Pat Butcher or Martin Keown are particularly brilliant exponents of that.

Why then would you watch football if not to be entertained?

Im not sure what you mean by England playing a match "not to exhibit." Dosnt football get more exhibition than most things? Is football not exhibited to you all day' date=' everyday, everywhere. On Tv, radio, internet and on the pitch itself.[/quote']

Entertainment isn't art. Is Eastenders art? There's a lot to like about football, but I don't think I'd class it as art. And there's a difference between an exhibition and the popularity of something. Just because you see something on TV all the time (Big Brother, the War on Terror) doesn't mean that's art either.

Fucking brilliant band. Playing Raigmore in Inverness next Thursday if you're in the area, we have the honour of playing with them once again.

Is the point of sport to win? I dunno. surely there must be creative expression through sport. Someone has had a vision/inspiration' date=' to become a great runner for example. Then theyll put years of practise into becoming good at running, this is their craft I guess. Is the main goal after all those years to win?

Like a piano player, has the metal vision/inspiration to play. and takes all those years out to practise, to craft. To reach what, to win??[/quote']

Are you on drugs?

So England are going to the World Cup, not to try and win it, but because they had a vision and inspiration, and they want to just be there for the experience and the artistic merit. My arse, all the teams are going there to do their best and to try and win the fucking thing. There are blurred lines; Ronaldinho, Henry etc in Nike ads showing off could be considered artistic, but as I say the aren't doing that to win. They play football matches to win, not to exhibit, edify, entertain, or fulfill their sensitive artistic and creative souls.

Lostprophet's cover of Cry Me A River is pretty decent considering how undecent both original parties are.

Haha and Tatu covering How Soon Is Now, pretty hard to wreck that song but they come close. Darkness covering Street Spirit is godlike.

Oh yeah, trustkill are good. Victory are alright, got some decent bands but then a lot of complete pishy emo too.

Personally, I have used bacon to temp two lifelong vegetarians to go with their carnal instincts and become carnivorous.

Surely he won't be getting paid for it? If his contract runs out in Sept, then he doesn't go to Celtic til Jan, who's paying?

Not sure... does sound awfully poppy. Starlight is brilliant though.

If Stripey doesn't mind, then a bacon and brie croissant is always a winner, as is a bacon, philadelphia and maple syrup roll.

I don't understand any reason as to how you can class Dave Grohl as a cock. I'm not a huge fan of the Foo Fighters recent stuff, but they were blinding at Titp last year. He's admitted that if even if he wanted to write a death metal song, he'd unintentionally end up putting a catchy chrous in it; he's honest about having the pop touch. He's also down to earth and funny as fuck. He has a wonderful beard and I want his children.

I can imagine you can nuke it to reheat, but not to actually cook it. That's just plain wrong..

Undergroove; Johnny Truant, Eden Maine, Twin Zero, Murder Of Rosa Luxembourg, 27 - marvellous bands and the lable is cool as fuck.

Mighty Atom; good for welshies. They've got Hondo Maclean, who are the best band on Earth.

Relapse; just the general mentalness of it. Lots of great bands hidden amongst the crazy bastards too; Mastodon, Dillinger Escape Plan, Burst, Neurosis and of course Death/Grind genius from Pig Destroyer, Nasum, Agoraphobic Nosebleed etc.

Good unsmoked back bacon from your local butcher, fried medium-well done, in a fresh buttered Harry Gow morning roll. Little dab of mayo on the bottom, splash of ketchup on the top.

Tight bastards. proves they don't even want the player, they just don't want him scoring goals for hibs.