futureboy

You missed some good stuff then!

Come back of the boards!

Im glad we disagree' date=' you sound like me when I was also 14 and a half. I grew up eventually. If I send you a Thomas and Freinds annual you might understand it?

im only against making money as one of the [b']main motives....im sure Ive said that bit already yus? theres pound signs in the eyes of many a shit band and its quite ugly

PS. Ive accidentally made loads of money from music, and still do from time to time, but its not why I do it.

Calling me 14 and half is funny given the name calling and changing of mind that you seem to be doing!

Stiil didn't answer my questions so I am assuming they are too close to the bone.

Delboys post suggests to me that you may be full of shit or a wind up merchant. So tell me/us if you have made loads of money from music why are you a bitter and twisted old (assumption) fart? Your band shit or something?

laugh if you want you idiotboy

Generally' date=' the people who excel at music and have genuine talent and inspiration rarely consider doing it for cash when they start out. [/quote']

Ah I see now Mr Spankmyass By saying that you do not make music for money reasons and because your need is great then you claim to be highly talented and we are not worthy?

Makes sense now!

How old are you?

Are you in a band?

Do you have mates?

You sound like you are a 30 something thats never made, or likely to, and you have become twisted and cynical!

The term DEMO - a demonstration of what you do and primarily for handing over purposes. Do not mistake that for a cd with a great deal of money spent on it and in essence a self release of which a charge is absolutely fucking fine in my and many's book!!!

Boooooo

I thot this was gonna be a rant abouts weegiez!

Im just against charging money for something which is the product of a hobby. Which is realistically all demos and EPs are. Its like somebody making imitation toy trains in a shed and then selling them for more than a real train' date=' when all their only investment or business risk has been a few evenings work and the cost of some glue and balsa wood. ''But hey Ive got to pay for my Glue and Blasa wood maaaan!, and what about the cost of lighting my shed!!!!....If Im gonna build the HMS Victory and sell it to the Royal Navy then ill need to recoup my expenditaure on powering this 40 watt light bulb and the purchase of this workbench from Argos!!!!......and dont forget the cost of the petrol to the model-makers fair in Wigan!!! I want that back too!!! So I can pretend Im professional!!!''

Get real.

From personal experience Ive had songs Ive written on both commercial realeases and done freebie demos etc and made the same from both .....next to nothing (after every else one else involved has taken their cut). But when I do a demo to hand round, Im sorry but Id be embarressed to ask people for money for it. Not because of the quality, but simply because a demo is not a commercial commodity, just something I did in my spare time, and would have done anyway for my own fun, so why ask my mates to give me cash for it????

Main point no one ever seems to get: If you do this whole music thing to make money or even ''break even'', then give up now. Go to college and get a job in a bank. If you DIY, you are talking pennies and wasting a lot of time counting them. If you get signed you are talking lots of cash. But not for you. Youll be in debt for years.

Nothing against Geneveeve though, Im talking about the broader issue of bands fooling themselves that they can be sellable or profitable commodities.

Plus: Music should be free anyway. (another thread)[/quote']

So in your opinion, if you have a wee spark of talent, or think you have, and choose to try building on a life using said talent because hey that's what you do and dream of doing, then don't! Stop and get a job! Am I correct?

This seems a tad bitter and I will add pathetic. Oh an funny!

link

Riffs and drums!

www.archiebronsonoutfit.co.uk/frameset.htm

Then follow the link to a mini-site with their video on it!