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I've only ever been asked to leave Moshulu once, note the distinction between "asked to leave" and "kicked out". This was my own fault for falling asleep at the bar. Punk rock. A bouncer came over, woke me up, smiled and said "I think you'd better leave mate, you've had too much". I replied "I think you're right" and he helped me to the door. That was it, no bother or unpleasantness. You don't look for trouble and trouble generally won't find you.

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Bouncers are a hell of a lot better nowadays than they were before they were properly licensed. I remember seeing a guy being dragged by the hair all the way across the floor and out the door of the Palace. Also seen a few being escorted down back alleys for a 'talking-to'...

The Moshulu lads are great. I did once get refused as one of them thought I'd had a bit too much to drink, but was perfectly pleasant about it, so I didn't argue. As it happened I then met an old mate, so stood chatting for a while, during which time the doorman who was watching changed his mind, came up and apologised, and said "just go in when you're ready mate"...

Exodus are a different matter, they seem far more arbitrary. Some nights they're perfectly pleasant, then the next can be objectionable seemingly just for the hell of it. I reckon I'm allowed in 50% of the time, even totally sober. They also seem very keen to eject anyone who seems the slightest bit drunk. Maybe people who are drunk already don't spend so much at the bar?

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Ive noted Alkaline hasn't had the guts to tell his bad experience - on my birthday a few weeks back me and some of my mates went to TK's then Exodus after a party at Hogshead. The aforementioned forumer, aged 24, went ahead with a few others. When I got in an hour later, no problems, not even asked for id, I discovered big "Alk" had been denied because he looked under 21 (ridiculous). After calling a bouncer a twat he promptly went home to get his passport to prove it. A round trip of approx 30 minutes later, he returned to be let in, only for the "twat" bouncer to appear in the doorway and deny him entry. The irony is im only 19 and no questions asked!

Feel free to edit this Phil!

Oh...its annoying when bouncers deny you when you're a regular...they must recognise people and realise theyre not potential troublemakers...

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Ive noted Alkaline hasn't had the guts to tell his bad experience - on my birthday a few weeks back me and some of my mates went to TK's then Exodus after a party at Hogshead. The aforementioned forumer' date=' aged 24, went ahead with a few others. When I got in an hour later, no problems, not even asked for id, I discovered big "Alk" had been denied because he looked under 21 (ridiculous). After calling a bouncer a twat he promptly went home to get his passport to prove it. A round trip of approx 30 minutes later, he returned to be let in, only for the "twat" bouncer to appear in the doorway and deny him entry. The irony is im only 19 and no questions asked!

Feel free to edit this Phil!

Oh...its annoying when bouncers deny you when you're a regular...they must recognise people and realise theyre not potential troublemakers...[/quote']

HaHa :D

Not exactly how it 'went down' but damn close. I didn't call said bouncer a 'twat' until the second visit when he met me in the second doorway after his collegue had let me in without asking to see id.

I was pissed off so i asked to see the manager 'cause it was clear that the big ape didn't like the look of me so just didn't fancy letting me in. Unfortunately the manager had been standing next to the door and heard me call the bouncer a twat.

Ah well, its funny in that although, granted, i do look young i'm covered in tattoos and am 6'4" and in no way look under 18 or even 21. Christ it turned out i was older than the two bouncers on the door and the manager.

Well it was pretty funny.

:D

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Maybe I am missing something' date=' but I don't understand how a doorman can refuse entry to someone who has a passport as ID and is totaly sober!

I can travel anywhere in the world with this form of ID but I can't enter a bar/nightclub?

:down:[/quote']

If they've made up their minds to refuse someone entry, then they don't allow entry - a licencee has the right to refuse entry to licenced premises, and (I think?) it's actually illegal to enter licenced premises if he/she has decreed that you can't enter.

I would suspect the deal with Exodus/TK's is that on a busy night, it's no big deal to refuse entry and enhances the exclusivity of the place - they're guarenteed to be packed regardless, so being fussy is just another way of making people desire to go there, meaning they can keep putting up prices and get it. As much as it's a pain in the ass, it's a sound business tactic.

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I understand your point about it being a sound tactic, but it's still shit customer service! Fair enough, ban someone if they look like trouble (with a capital T) even if they have ID. But don't ruin someones night out just because you know you'll be making money regardless.

Like i say, it's shit customer service at the end of the day :cheers:

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aaah i found the best (i.e worst) bouncer/ security guard EVER! at the underoath gig. as you can imagine its packed downstairs so no room to swing a cat, even most of the standing room was taken up by the sound system thingy for the bands which i didn't mind.

The only thing that hacked me off was when myself and my friend tried to move to the floor because there was no standing room we got as far as the bottom of the stairs, realised there was no room at all so we stood on the stairs but at the side so we didn't block the stairs of people wanting out. To this the guy said "can you move down to the floor" so i said that there was no way of moving anywhere and he replied very stupidly "well just push then" to which i laughed and then said "yeh cause thats bloody good for health and safety aint it" and i proceeded to stand on the stairs and the guy walked away. oh and this all happened in kef, which has stupid prices to get in even for local gigs..........grr my rant is over. i can sleep now

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In my experience, bouncers on the whole very good. However the exodus ones can be twats, once not letting a sober friend of mine in for being too drunk, yet letting my other friend, who could hardly walk due to shitloads of alcohol, in no bother.

Also the priory bouncers are very choosy on who they let in, based on what they are wearing. Someone I know once tried to get in, wearing a suit, but was denyed entry because he had face piercings and a mohawk.

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out of interest' date=' what's everyones worst bouncer related experience?

mike[/quote']

Different angle but... Standing in the doorway of ZUU with my five compadres facing down and entire football team from Kincorth that came back after a previous weeks altercation. We didn't budge (pappered troosers though) We were all resigned to getting a kicking. A few nice words and holding our ground resulted in lotsa smiles and handshakes from both sides! Phew! Try standing on a door for several hours confronted by aggresive drunk numpty's that try it on and feel your patience dissapear. I have always found a smile and relaxed manner can keep the peace. Unless they are slighty off their face on whatever and just want trouble. Recently they would find themselves reversed back out into the shiprow with a thud of the door behind them and me on the radio to cctv... I did the job a Drake's to cut back on expenditure, not a job I would ever get into again for any reason... Good and bad doormen (I've had a few at Drake's) but a smile is the best weapon!

Jim

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out of interest' date=' what's everyones worst bouncer related experience?

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escobar in the club downstairs. a techno night put on by knoxie. on the guestlist. harrassed on the way in, accused of dealing e`s (wasnt). they searched me and found 10 quid and a half score (for medicinal purposes of course). took both the 10 quid and dope from me then threw me out. took me 10 mins to get my fukin jacket back (which was in their cloakroom at the door) and was generally shoved about by 3 of them. fukin wankas (scuse my language).

also, an ex-girlfriends brother and friend got the shit kicked outta them by same doorman for WALKING PAST THE FRONT DOOR. i mean, what a crime......

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escobar in the club downstairs. a techno night put on by knoxie. on the guestlist. harrassed on the way in' date=' accused of dealing e`s (wasnt). they searched me and found 10 quid and a half score (for medicinal purposes of course). took both the 10 quid and dope from me then threw me out. took me 10 mins to get my fukin jacket back (which was in their cloakroom at the door) and was generally shoved about by 3 of them. fukin wankas (scuse my language).

also, an ex-girlfriends brother and friend got the shit kicked outta them by same doorman for WALKING PAST THE FRONT DOOR. i mean, what a crime......[/quote']

You reject, of course you're going to get thrown out of a club for having drugs on you.

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Pete (MY bouncer) is a god! hehe! he sometimes does moorings doors and used to be a Lemon Tree doorman...he seriously rocks!!!

heehee! I remember being refused from moshulu and then after waiting like 5 seconds for Kai so i could say bye, the guy just said..."ok you can go in now" i was like WTF? and i'd only been 15 for two weeks then...haha!

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Pete (MY bouncer) is a god! hehe! he sometimes does moorings doors and used to be a Lemon Tree doorman...he seriously rocks!!!

heehee! I remember being refused from moshulu and then after waiting like 5 seconds for Kai so i could say bye' date=' the guy just said..."ok you can go in now" i was like WTF? and i'd only been 15 for two weeks then...haha![/quote']

Well ...... As that would have been in Decmber of 03, well before we owned the place, and well before I worked there, and well before We hired our new door team and removed the old contracted one I think you can forgive us that indescretion.

However, as Logan has posted photos of you in his gallery, its fair to assume you won't be getting in here again...

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I wonder sometimes why people under the age of eighteen boast so reaidly on a forum about their exploits in venues, when the owners, staff and customers of said venues regularly view and post here.

My theory is they have small brains, anyone got a better one?

-edit- oh and Rob, December 02 was the correct date -/edit-

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I got thrown out of Exodus once' date=' for being drunk.

I'm nae exactly sure though..best to ask Sam or Paul. I have a very hazy memory of the event, for some reason.[/quote']

Yeh, you were sleeping in one of the booths so the guy came over told Paul and I to escort you out, which was fine, nae trouble, ken? I've never had any trouble from bouncers, the only thing I can think is sometimes not being allowed in to places with trainers on which is a silly rule really... Never understood it myself.

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The problem is that many bouncers do not realise their function. A bouncer is there to protect the people inside the building. This means stopping scum at the door. On occasion when scum slip through the net the bouncers job is to remove them.

The majority of people just want to go out and have a good time. They do not require policing. The bouncers role is to make them feel safe and secure.

Some bouncers I have encountered seek job satisfaction of a different sort. Some bouncers I have encountered seem to work their own agenda. Some are under the illusion that they have the right to dictate who enters the establishment. Management that reinforce this belief by supporting the bouncer in times of wrongness are only perpetuating the problem. Who's in charge?

Bouncers that cause aggro, then call the police safe in the knowledge that in this country there is an unwritten law that (unlike a burglar, murderer, or rapist) a drunk person automatically forfeits their human rights... those types are among the lowest of the low.

Likewise are the bouncers that pursue their own personal agenda. They somehow feel that they are a private police force and set out to tackle what they perceive to be the crimes of humanity. Grow a new fuckin brain cos the steroids obviously rotted the last one.

And as for refusing someone on the grounds they were fat... this actually happened to someone I know recently. The bouncer told her "Fuck off you fat bitch!". But put the shoe was the other foot, it was straight on the phone to the police to have the 'drunk' charged withr breach of the peace.

It's a funny game and there are aspects of it that attract absolutely the wrong type of people. In addition to training courses all bouncers should be subjected to psychometric testing.

Enough ranting for one night.

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