Slightly weird?

[Rob Karloff]

It's strange' date=' you need a licence to own a dog but anyone can just go ahead and have children, and this doesn't seem right somehow.

.....

and if our beautiful wee girl goes around telling people off for talking Doric instead of English then I will consider that a parenting job very well done. Delly, take a bow.[/quote']

License to own a dog? Since when?

Doric is a dialect. What's bad about it? You can speak Doric with perfect pronounciation and grammer. Just like any other Scots dialect.

[Delly]

equally' date=' however, if my children (when they arrive) grow up with an undertsanding of Doric, then I will be happy that they have an understanding of their roots.[/quote']

Doric is not my roots I hate it I dislike it just as much as i dislike David Bowie!!!

actually my parents all three of them spoke/speak Doric it is not actually Doric I hate it the laziness to ponounce words properly I want to teach my children how to adapt to their situation and if they ONLY spoke Doric then alot of things might not happen for them, where as if i teach them to talk properly I am sure if the need is to speak with less effort then they can adapt to this

ok im tired and babling rubbish

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

Delly was bang on about raising children' date=' and if our beautiful wee girl goes around telling people off for talking Doric instead of English then I will consider that a parenting job very well done. Delly, take a bow.[/quote']

You want your child to kill off the North-East's cultural heritage? Theres a Lewis Grassic Gibbon book burning I'm organising if you're interested.

(Neds don't speak Doric. Just some bastardised, vague emulation of it. Wee, pet gripe of mine).

Just noticed Rob Karloff feels the same, I think.

[Delly]

You want your child to kill off the North-East's cultural heritage? Theres a Lewis Grassic Gibbon book burning I'm organising if you're interested.

(Neds don't speak Doric. Just some bastardised' date=' vague emulation of it. Wee, pet gripe of mine).

Just noticed Rob Karloff feels the same, I think.[/quote']

the amount of people that speak Doric (ish) one kid not speaking it is not gonna kill it off and anyway he will go to school and learn plenty of it as I say he will learn to adapt to different situations (hopefully)

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

the amount of people that speak Doric (ish) one kid not speaking it is not gonna kill it off and anyway he will go to school and learn plenty of it as I say he will learn to adapt to different situations (hopefully)

It isn't really taught in schools. I'm not a nationalist to any degree whatsoever, but when you can travel to a city and see the same repeating pattern of McDonalds, Comet, Safeway on the outskirts and repeating patterns of Top Shop, Gap, Subway, Yate's Wine Lodge in the centre, I think retaining a sense of place means something.

Anyway, I was only light-heartedly pointing out that Doric and "common" are not the same thing. I think that Doric in it's truest sense is pretty much dead, though.

[Sam 45]

Unfortunately it's a common sight in aberdeen these days (especially the No. 19 bus) I seriously don't understand how people can live like that. I mean' date=' Don't they realise how pathetic it is to verbally take the piss out of your kid in public?

It's people like that who bring down society in general - yet they are almost always the 1st people to 'demand' benefits from the government because they have a "sare back"[/quote']

Try having to take the 19 bus anytime you wanna go in town.....its full of 'Kappa Ma's one of them was at my school till she left to have her baby

[R.Borlax]

what i find screwed up is that you started a thread about that

[Delly]

Try having to take the 19 bus anytime you wanna go in town.....its full of 'Kappa Ma's one of them was at my school till she left to have her baby

have to say i catch the 19 alot wtf kappa ma's???

[Guest Jake Wifebeater]

Doric is not my roots I hate it I dislike it just as much as i dislike David Bowie!!!

actually my parents all three of them spoke/speak Doric it is not actually Doric I hate it the laziness to ponounce words properly I want to teach my children how to adapt to their situation and if they ONLY spoke Doric then alot of things might not happen for them' date=' where as if i teach them to talk properly I am sure if the need is to speak with less effort then they can adapt to this [/quote']

Once again, absolutely spot on. Is it just me or do people speaking Doric always sound like they're whining all the time? I think it's the worst dialect in Britain, quite honestly.

"Fit like?"

"Nae bad, keeeeEEENNN?"

Stomach-churning.

[beeker]

i remember a woman coming out of Cash converters with a litle sprog, he'd obviously wanted something expensive so his mum shouted - sorry bawled out...:

"money doesn't grow out of my twat ye ken"

cringe.

[GraemeC]

Once again' date=' absolutely spot on. Is it just me or do people speaking Doric always sound like they're whining all the time? I think it's the worst dialect in Britain, quite honestly.

"Fit like?"

"Nae bad, keeeeEEENNN?"

Stomach-churning.[/quote']

Please dont confuse Aberdeen slang with the Doric dialect....

My children had to learn Aberdeen slang when they went to school (and fast to avoid being picked on) but could speak 'nicely' when required.

Doric is part of our NE culture and heritage, and if we loose it it'll be another piece of our "Scottishness" eroded for all time.

[Guest Jake Wifebeater]

Doric is part of our NE culture and heritage' date=' and if we loose it it'll be another piece of our "Scottishness" eroded for all time.[/quote']

Well, I've lived in NE Scotland my whole life and the prospect of losing any "Scottishness" doesn't bother me in the least. There's a whole world out there and we would do well to take off the blinkers and stop being so parochial and provincial. Lenin got it right when he talked of internationalism as opposed to nationalism. Like pride in race, it's a dodgy road to go down, I think. I don't consider Doric part of my culture in the slightest.

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

Well' date=' I've lived in NE Scotland my whole life and the prospect of losing any "Scottishness" doesn't bother me in the least. There's a whole world out there and we would do well to take off the blinkers and stop being so parochial and provincial. Lenin got it right when he talked of internationalism as opposed to nationalism. Like pride in race, it's a dodgy road to go down, I think. I don't consider Doric part of my culture in the slightest.[/quote']

I agree that pride in country often leads to people adopting an exclusive attitude and then to that hottible, stinking "my country is better than yours, nyah!" bigotry, but whats the point of their being a "whole world out there" if every area loses it's character and traditions? Surely a variety of traditions, languages and ideas enriches the world rather than sullies it? Should Bollywood and Japanese cinema become just like Hollywood because they are "too should Japanese or Indian", should every nomadic tribe in the world give up their traditions and open a Burger King in the name of progress?

Doric does not equal Aberdeen slang, which is Moronic rather than Doric.

But I agree in-so-far as blind national pride is a dangerous road. I think it's better to be proud of the world, and the variety that entails and Scotland's North-East is a part of that.

[Guest Jake Wifebeater]

I agree that pride in country often leads to people adopting an exclusive attitude and then to that hottible' date=' stinking "my country is better than yours, nyah!" bigotry, but whats the point of their being a "whole world out there" if every area loses it's character and traditions? Surely a variety of traditions, languages and ideas enriches the world rather than sullies it? Should Bollywood and Japanese cinema become just like Hollywood because they are "too should Japanese or Indian", should every nomadic tribe in the world give up their traditions and open a Burger King in the name of progress?

Doric does not equal Aberdeen slang, which is Moronic rather than Doric.

But I agree in-so-far as blind national pride is a dangerous road. I think it's better to be proud of the world, and the variety that entails and Scotland's North-East is a part of that.[/quote']

Believe me, the last thing I want to see is a world which becomes just a series of slices of homogenised Americana. I just think that NE Scotland, as one small corner of one small country hasn't particularly contributed a great deal to world culture. I love rowies, but I don't feel the need to hail them as an example of wonderful Aberdonian cuisine. It's just a geographical coincidence that they were invented here, although you could argue, I suppose, that it's a tribute to canniness that something so tasty could be made from lard!

Ach, it all boils down to absorbing bits of the world you like and rejecting the bits you don't but I feel uncomfortable when I hear trumpeting about all things "local". Strange, we've just come up with a song on that very theme, tentatively titled "A veritable cornucopia of colloquial platitudes and sesquipedalian provincialisms", which I look forward to announcing live!

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

Believe me' date=' the last thing I want to see is a world which becomes just a series of slices of homogenised Americana. I just think that NE Scotland, as one small corner of one small country hasn't particularly contributed a great deal to world culture. I love rowies, but I don't feel the need to hail them as an example of wonderful Aberdonian cuisine. It's just a geographical coincidence that they were invented here, although you could argue, I suppose, that it's a tribute to canniness that something so tasty could be made from lard!

Ach, it all boils down to absorbing bits of the world you like and rejecting the bits you don't but I feel uncomfortable when I hear trumpeting about all things "local". Strange, we've just come up with a song on that very theme, tentatively titled "A veritable cornucopia of colloquial platitudes and sesquipedalian provincialisms", which I look forward to announcing live![/quote']

I think you and I are pretty much on the same page, really. We've got a couple of local authors too who are worth attention and some (although not much) interesting architecture due to the granite, for example, but I did find your rowie example funny. But you're spot on about "taking the good stuff".

Anyway, doric can be quite lyrical (Aberdonian is uhhh-glee though). I'm off to find a proper web-site about it.

[GraemeC]

Well' date=' I've lived in NE Scotland my whole life and the prospect of losing any "Scottishness" doesn't bother me in the least. There's a whole world out there and we would do well to take off the blinkers and stop being so parochial and provincial. Lenin got it right when he talked of internationalism as opposed to nationalism. Like pride in race, it's a dodgy road to go down, I think. I don't consider Doric part of my culture in the slightest.[/quote']

I have no idea what your on about(again), just because you dont like something doesnt mean it should be banished for all time does it?

I wasnt being parochial or provincial in the slightest, and in fact enjoy travel and different cultures, but by loosing our local identity we'll become just another part of South East England, I thought the point of visiting other places was to enjoy the differences...or are you one of these people who go on holiday and seek out the bars that sell Tennents lager and Walkers cheese and onion crisps?

I think people can take pride in being Scottish....in being Aberdonian without hating people who are not.

I agree with one thing you say "There's a whole world out there" but how sad would it be if it were all the same ?

G...

[Delly]

Please dont confuse Aberdeen slang with the Doric dialect....

My children had to learn Aberdeen slang when they went to school (and fast to avoid being picked on) but could speak 'nicely' when required.

Doric is part of our NE culture and heritage' date=' and if we loose it it'll be another piece of our "Scottishness" eroded for all time.[/quote']

This exactly what i mean about my kids learning to adapt, learning they have to talk the way they others do as to not get bullied, - just like kids swearing at school around their mates but not around their parents

[Guest tv tanned]

Believe me' date=' the last thing I want to see is a world which becomes just a series of slices of homogenised Americana. I just think that NE Scotland, as one small corner of one small country hasn't particularly contributed a great deal to world culture. I love rowies, but I don't feel the need to hail them as an example of wonderful Aberdonian cuisine. It's just a geographical coincidence that they were invented here, although you could argue, I suppose, that it's a tribute to canniness that something so tasty could be made from lard![/quote']

How unbelievably ignorant, I have a good mind to go and find numerous links to prove how little you seem to know about the history of the region, suffice to say most of the Balkan states and a significant area of Eastern Europe was greatly enriched by merchants travelling from the North East of Scotland in the 17th century, and also from prominent members of N-East society, like Robert Gordon (who the school is named after).

That's just the first thing to spring to mind, but I suggest you read up on the history of the region, it's really rather interesting.

[Guest Jake Wifebeater]

I have no idea what your on about(again)' date=' just because you dont like something doesnt mean it should be banished for all time does it?

I wasnt being parochial or provincial in the slightest, and in fact enjoy travel and different cultures, but by loosing our local identity we'll become just another part of South East England, I thought the point of visiting other places was to enjoy the differences...or are you one of these people who go on holiday and seek out the bars that sell Tennents lager and Walkers cheese and onion crisps?

I think people can take pride in being Scottish....in being Aberdonian without hating people who are not.

I agree with one thing you say "There's a whole world out there" but how sad would it be if it were all the same ?

G...[/quote']

You always seem to take things the wrong way. Where did I say I hate Doric/Aberdonian culture? Fucking nowhere, that's where. By all means, enjoy variety and diversity but without reductionism to the extent of "Oh, how nice and different, ye dinnae see 'at back hame". I don't go on holiday full stop, I love the Pistols' line of "a cheap holiday in other people's misery" and I can't afford it anyway. Have you read my subsequent posts about this? What is your point? So we might lose local identity? I don't identify with it much anyway, if at all. Fact is, we all live on the same island anyway. It would indeed be sad if everything was the same, but I've already said that, had you bothered to read on. Really, what's the point in being proud because you happened to be born somewhere? It seems such a petty thing to be proud of. A circumstance of geography, nothing more. And to be proud of it just seems like frantic straw-grasping in the quest for an identity. If you need something to be "proud" of, well, I wonder at the mentality behind such motives.

[Delly]

think you will find it was me that said that i hated doric cos I do (sort of)

[Guest Jake Wifebeater]

think you will find it was me that said that i hated doric cos I do (sort of)

Thanks for speaking up, I'm getting seven shades of shit kicked out of me here. By the way, why do you hate it? I love ripping the piss out of it, but I wouldn't say I hate it as such.

[Hog]

I hate it!!!!

[Delly]

Thanks for speaking up' date=' I'm getting seven shades of shit kicked out of me here. By the way, why do you hate it? I love ripping the piss out of it, but I wouldn't say I hate it as such.[/quote']

Oh I hate it because of personal stuff that you really dont want to hear about but well i just dislike the sound of it I don't want my kids talking like it altho I will understand if they can adapt to suit thier situation.

and also I think it is a lazy way of talking - now I know that if you grow up with everyone talking to you like that or are taught that way you may think it is hard not to speak like that, BUT all three of my parents spoke with pretty strong common/doric accents and I think hope that I have managed to escape with none of the above( altho I love slipping back in to it when it pisses people of)

[Guest tv tanned]

i suggest that perhaps you are not basing your opinions on real doric. perhaps i could lend you my doric dictionary and it would enlighten you somewhat?

[Delly]

i suggest that perhaps you are not basing your opinions on real doric. perhaps i could lend you my doric dictionary and it would enlighten you somewhat?

NO it is fine i KNOW what doric is i grew up with it is fine no matter what you say I will dislike it ( as i said there is also personal reasons for my dislike about it)