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I dont smoke Doobies but to be honest, starting a post about how harmful it is makes me wonder what your trying to say?

Im not having a go,infact its cool that you make the health implications aware. Just saying that Dope is bad, yeah well, so is Tobacco and alcohol. Although I feel no need to smoke dope I cant see it being anymore dangerous than fags and booze, so why is it illegal?

Tony Blair "Because its bad for you" !

em...... ok

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But dude i thought like you'd be like totally straight edge!!!

I used to be straight edge, but that one night of heavy drinking and snorting lines of coke off hooker's butt cheeks changed my life forever.

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Just as an aside' date=' I've only met two people from Westhill before and they were both idiots. Using your flawless reasoning, I have reached the logical conclusion that everyone from Westhill must therefore be an idiot. I also knew this black guy, but then he went to jail and I haven't seen him since then. Still, what do you expect?[/quote']

No thats just stupid. Id said when they are high they are idiots. Although, they must have been idiots to take the stuff in the first place. But i will concede westhill does have its fair share of twats, as does where you live

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No thats just stupid. Id said when they are high they are idiots. Although' date=' they must have been idiots to take the stuff in the first place. But i will concede westhill does have its fair share of twats, as does where you live[/quote']

miles davis? all jazz musicians? all musicians really. So go write off pretty much all bands you listen too because they all get high. Its people like you that made the dark ages. You obviously know shit fuck all about the PLANT, so until you come up with something better than your day time tv psychology...go away.

That narrowminded, blindly stubborn people get to me.

ITS NOT ILLEGAL DUE TO HEALTH IMPLICATIONS. As i already stated, this is true. Medically marijuana is sound. Smoking it causes implications, although to a extremely less degree than that of tobacco.

Making marijuana illegal is where the social ills are coming from, all drugs. Because they are illegal they are a comodity. Some decent decrim would be sufficent. But blindly disregarding its numerous possitive effects is ridiculous.

Like Bill Hicks said.."isnt wiping out a plant that was here before us a little...paranoid"

indeed.

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miles davis? all jazz musicians? all musicians really. So go write off pretty much all bands you listen too because they all get high.

It's stupid to suggest that "all musicians get high". I think you will find that people like Miles Davis were infact smack heads' date=' and it either killed them or ruined their careers.

Medically marijuana is sound. Smoking it causes implications, although to a extremely less degree than that of tobacco.

I take it you didn't see the recent research linking cannabis use to psychosis and depression? To suggest that smoking dope on its own is somehow less harmful than smoking tobacco is just ignorant.

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It's stupid to suggest that "all musicians get high". I think you will find that people like Miles Davis were infact smack heads' date=' and it either killed them or ruined their careers.

I take it you didn't see the recent research linking cannabis use to psychosis and depression? To suggest that smoking dope on its own is somehow less harmful than smoking tobacco is just ignorant.[/quote']

Perhaps, but why not the research into linking alcohol to mental illness and cannabis to mental illness. Ask Jake Spike (mental health worker) Im sure hes seen manay cases of both. So why is Cannabis banned? It would be good to get a proper answer/reason.

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I dont smoke Doobies but to be honest' date=' starting a post about how harmful it is makes me wonder what your trying to say?

Im not having a go,infact its cool that you make the health implications aware. Just saying that Dope is bad, yeah well, so is Tobacco and alcohol. Although I feel no need to smoke dope I cant see it being anymore dangerous than fags and booze, so why is it illegal?

Tony Blair "Because its bad for you" !

em...... ok[/quote']

No agenda

Had the BBC run a story on pot being healthy, safe and capable of gifting its users with super-powers, then I would have posted it as well.

My experience of stoners is that they are incredibly boring people, but then that isn't a representative sample, before Kai interjects...

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Perhaps' date=' but why not the research into linking alcohol to mental illness and cannabis to mental illness. Ask Jake Spike (mental health worker) Im sure hes seen manay cases of both. So why is Cannabis banned? It would be good to get a proper answer/reason.[/quote']

So really, what you're saying is that alcohol should be banned?

You heard it here first folks...

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miles davis? all jazz musicians? all musicians really. So go write off pretty much all bands you listen too because they all get high. Its people like you that made the dark ages. You obviously know shit fuck all about the PLANT' date=' so until you come up with something better than your day time tv psychology...go away.

That narrowminded, blindly stubborn people get to me.

ITS NOT ILLEGAL DUE TO HEALTH IMPLICATIONS. As i already stated, this is true. Medically marijuana is sound. Smoking it causes implications, although to a extremely less degree than that of tobacco.

Making marijuana illegal is where the social ills are coming from, all drugs. Because they are illegal they are a comodity. Some decent decrim would be sufficent. But blindly disregarding its numerous possitive effects is ridiculous.

Like Bill Hicks said.."isnt wiping out a plant that was here before us a little...paranoid"

indeed.[/quote']

Point 1) i dont care about miles davis or any jazz musicians. The bands i listen to are good enough to mean something to me without having to using marijuana to get their creativity going.

Point 2) I at no stage denied its medicinal uses. Whether there are any is a subject of much debate. However it seems clear that you are just another fucking hippy who takes it for recreational usage.

Point 3) The fact that marijuana is illegal is a positive thing. Im afraid you are naive if you think legalising it and thus exposing it to a new and wider market, including teenagers, is actually going to improve or at least not make Scotland/Britain worse, full of fucking airheads.

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Point 1) i dont care about miles davis or any jazz musicians. The bands i listen to are good enough to mean something to me without having to using marijuana to get their creativity going.

Point 2) I at no stage denied its medicinal uses. Whether there are any is a subject of much debate. However it seems clear that you are just another fucking hippy who takes it for recreational usage.

Point 3) The fact that marijuana is illegal is a positive thing. Im afraid you are naive if you think legalising it and thus exposing it to a new and wider market' date=' including teenagers, is actually going to improve or at least not make Scotland/Britain worse, full of fucking airheads.[/quote']

Seconded.

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Point 1) i dont care about miles davis or any jazz musicians. The bands i listen to are good enough to mean something to me without having to using marijuana to get their creativity going.

Point 2) I at no stage denied its medicinal uses. Whether there are any is a subject of much debate. However it seems clear that you are just another fucking hippy who takes it for recreational usage.

Point 3) The fact that marijuana is illegal is a positive thing. Im afraid you are naive if you think legalising it and thus exposing it to a new and wider market' date=' including teenagers, is actually going to improve or at least not make Scotland/Britain worse, full of fucking airheads.[/quote']

would it make britain anyworse if it was decriminalised??

i dont think so

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Point 1) i dont care about miles davis or any jazz musicians. The bands i listen to are good enough to mean something to me without having to using marijuana to get their creativity going.

I can't help but notice that in your public profile, the first two bands mentioned are The Doors and The Mars Volta. I hope you're aware that the figureheads within these bands are all on record as saying they've used mind-altering substances to open doors within their mind, therefore helping their creativity?

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Point 1) i dont care about miles davis or any jazz musicians. The bands i listen to are good enough to mean something to me without having to using marijuana to get their creativity going.

Point 2) I at no stage denied its medicinal uses. Whether there are any is a subject of much debate. However it seems clear that you are just another fucking hippy who takes it for recreational usage.

Point 3) The fact that marijuana is illegal is a positive thing. Im afraid you are naive if you think legalising it and thus exposing it to a new and wider market' date=' including teenagers, is actually going to improve or at least not make Scotland/Britain worse, full of fucking airheads.[/quote']

in my humble opinion you appear to be the most paranoid and ill educated person that has posted on this thread. and you are not a stoner.

ask any ms/aids sufferer who has used cannabis (not necessarily smoked) and i think you will find that the properties of cannabis alleviates their pain - fact.

i agree smoking cannabis can increase mental health problems in people but, and this is the important bit, THESE PEOPLE MAY SUFFER THE SAME WITHOUT SMOKING CANNABIS. i have many friends who smoke, some are quite mad, others are not. i have many friends who dont smoke, some of them are also quite mad and others are not. (by mad i infer mental health issues). some friends have had to stop smoking because cannabis seriously fucked their head up. it affects all differently, just like alcohol does.

unless you, as a non-smoker, have seriously done some research into this plant i suggest you stop posting ill informed comments and general flaming opinions about cannabis. i am quite happy to debate the good and bad points of hash use but not when such intelligent statements as "all stoners are idiots" are thrown about without much thought.

also, as a side note, most of the stoners i know have actually done some proper reading into the side effects and physical effects of cannabis, the history of the plant and its uses (queen victoria used it to alleviate her severe period pains). in general, it is rare to have an intelligent and informed conversation with non-stoners about cannabis because non-smokers generally dont read into it very much(i appreciate some of you out there do make the effort, but it is rare).

read "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer(spelling?). an informate book backed with copies of officially released governmental documents confirming the information.

ps. no-one has ever died from a hash overdose. alcohol - legal - kills thousands EVERY year.

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I can't help but notice that in your public profile' date=' the first two bands mentioned are The Doors and The Mars Volta. I hope you're aware that the figureheads within these bands are all on record as saying they've used mind-altering substances to open doors within their mind, therefore helping their creativity?[/quote']

I concede that. Although id say the doors were an exceptional case. But i dont agree with it, they were talented enough to create without drugs.

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in my humble opinion you appear to be the most paranoid and ill educated person that has posted on this thread. and you are not a stoner.

ask any ms/aids sufferer who has used cannabis (not necessarily smoked) and i think you will find that the properties of cannabis alleviates their pain - fact.

i agree smoking cannabis can increase mental health problems in people but' date=' and this is the important bit, THESE PEOPLE MAY SUFFER THE SAME WITHOUT SMOKING CANNABIS. i have many friends who smoke, some are quite mad, others are not. i have many friends who dont smoke, some of them are also quite mad and others are not. (by mad i infer mental health issues). some friends have had to stop smoking because cannabis seriously fucked their head up. it affects all differently, just like alcohol does.

unless you, as a non-smoker, have seriously done some research into this plant i suggest you stop posting ill informed comments and general flaming opinions about cannabis. i am quite happy to debate the good and bad points of hash use but not when such intelligent statements as "all stoners are idiots" are thrown about without much thought.

also, as a side note, most of the stoners i know have actually done some proper reading into the side effects and physical effects of cannabis, the history of the plant and its uses (queen victoria used it to alleviate her severe period pains). in general, it is rare to have an intelligent and informed conversation with non-stoners about cannabis because non-smokers generally dont read into it very much(i appreciate some of you out there do make the effort, but it is rare).

read "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer(spelling?). an informate book backed with copies of officially released governmental documents confirming the information.

ps. no-one has ever died from a hash overdose. alcohol - legal - kills thousands EVERY year.[/quote']

Oh i see. I again redirect you to what i said. I at no point denied the potential medicinal uses of cannabis - if it does relieve pain then great. However, even though im not a particular expert on the subject, im afraid without a full modern medical inquiry into the benfefits of cannabis using specialised and unbiased researchers that absolutely confirms what youve said then im not going to base my opinion on a few books. Such an enquiry could cost the taxpayer a fortune that could be used for developing other drugs that DO NOT have the side effects of cannabis. And this would remove the possibilty that stoners like you could capitalise on the legal loophole.

Basically, if you want canabis legalised for purely medicinal purposes (if approved) then fine. But if you want it legalised generally then you are a prick. I personally dont think its compatible, im not sure if you can legalise it simply for medicinal use.

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ask any ms/aids sufferer who has used cannabis (not necessarily smoked) and i think you will find that the properties of cannabis alleviates their pain - fact.

The properties of Percocet, Tylenol and a million other prescription painkillers would alleviate the pain better, but this doesn't mean to say that we should all be popping them whenever the hell we feel like it.

Saying "We should legalise cannabis for recreational use because it's useful for some medical treatment!" is a bit stupid, no?

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I tried so hard not to get involved, I really did... but...

Cannabis in the form of hash, weed or whatever is never going to be approved for therapeutic uses as you can't control the quality or assure any kind of therapeutic efficacy between the supplies available. This is not to say that cannabis is not being explored therapeutically, but it's synthetically manufactured chemicals that are related to the active ingredients in cannabis that are being tested. There are a wide variety of cannabinoids (the chemicals in cannabis, funnily enough) of which only a couple are psychoactive (the main one most people have heard of is delta9-THC). The rest make up a wide class of agents that are being researched for usefulness in anything from pain relief to appetite stimulation. The bad news is that as the majority of cannabinoids have no psychoactive properties their use as prescribed medicines wouldn't be getting anyone high.

The mix-up here is that people argue the therapeutic benefits of marijuana assuming it would mean the long-term decriminalisation of the smokeable forms (i.e. hash and weed). In truth, the therapeutic use of cannabis is more likely going to be as exciting as popping an aspirin or whizzing on an asthma inhaler, and about as likely to get you high as either option. The frustrating thing is that it takes so long to develop a drug through all the requisite testing stages before it's available for clinical use or prescription, leaving no immediate comfort for those that genuinely use cannabis for medicinal reasons.

It is unequivocally bollocks that there's some global conspiracy to suppress the benefits of marijuana, just a dawning of realisation that we'll be faced with boring prescription pills and not the enjoyable high all these campaigners secretly hope for. Still, an honest campaign for getting a bit high sounds less righteous...

Other points - Hog, there's been over 2,600 articles containing 'mental disorders' and 'alcoholism' published since around 1970, only 124 for cannabis and 'mental disorders'. Err, no major point to this one just though you'd like to know :D

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