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No Perfect Albums in 12 years

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See now this I agree with' date=' i can't think of any albums in the last 10 years i listen to as much as the older ones, with the posible exception of Dido's albums and that was just mellow background music, not music i listen to every day and really, really enjoy.

[url']http://www.avrev.com/news/1004/14.perfectrecord.html

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Stuart

sorry but I disagree. That article is terrible.

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He's forgotten that people grow up, inlcluding him.

I think peoples musical tastes are formed in their teens/early twenties and are normally set for life. This guy sounds about the right age to have been mid-twenties when grunge came along, no wonder he didn't get it, or anything else since.

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Guest stuartmaxwell

older music doesnt really figure with me apart from the odd thing here and there

anything pre 80's to me is almost void, apart from a few acts

close minded?you bet

nicer tones and recordings?you bet

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The list he gives is true - people actually arent making music as classicly legendary / widely-appreciated-for-massive-amazingness as those artists, not that I'm a particularly huge fan of any of them.

I think the majority of albums from recent years sound naff and totally over-produced. Music has lost its vibe and is played by people who don't seem to really care so much as they used too.Theres nothing emotional about computerized guitar tones or vocals. Alot of modern stuff also seems litterated with over-dubs ('hey guys how about we stick a sitar or tubal bell or extra 5 snares in this part???)

Just the impression I get.

P.s Jester, just thinking of the force Dido-ness I experience, the drumbeats sound crapppp!! Just think her music (potentially quite emotive/listenable) requires more than standard drum machine groove. it was just when I really started to listen to the drums it got dire, particularly on White Flag.

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Taking just a couple of those albums... the Never Mind the Bollocks has more than a couple of terrible, dud songs on it, and Master of Puppets is the same, a couple of tracks that - even if you like them - don't measure up to the quality of the other tracks. Neither are 'perfect'.

I'd hazard a guess - actually I'd state - that none of those albums are 'perfect', and that they have between them a multitude of weak moments. While there's an argument to be made for such artists being stronger, this article is a terribly written piece of claptrap. If there's any point to be made, he's completely missed it due to compulsive loathing over the fact he's not in his teens any more.

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older music doesnt really figure with me apart from the odd thing here and there

anything pre 80's to me is almost void' date=' apart from a few acts

close minded?you bet

nicer tones and recordings?you bet[/quote']

I agree with Stuart! even although he is a bit of a cunt.

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Again it's all personal opinion - I could pick Slipknot's 'Slipknot', American Head Charge's 'The War Of Art', Prodigy's 'Music For The Jilted Generation', any of Faith No More's albums, 'Dig Your Own Hole' by The Chemical Brothers or Cypress Hill's 'Black Sunday' as all being 'perfect' albums to me and that's only naming a few...

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I think there were quite a few really great albums made in the 90's, but post-2000 hasn't had very much to offer whatsoever, I like little bits here and there but I don't think I've gone out and bought a post-2000 album, too much Emo/Hardcore and really pissy Indie like fucking Keane. Only primarily post-2000 band I've been giving heavy rotation recently has been Goldfrapp and a bit of Postal Service. There has been some good guitar-rock stuff but not a lot.

To sum up, I'd say there hasn't been a REALLY great album for the last say.....5 years with the possible exception of Youth and Youngmanhood by Kings of Leon and Black Cherry and Felt Mountain by Goldfrapp.

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Guest Tam o' Shantie

there are no good classic rock albums anymore because there is no such thing as modern classic rock, unless you count the darkness, haha.

the guy clearly read the NME - these are just big name albums.

there is no such thing as a perfect album anyway, because who the fuck has the ability or right to judge music without any preconception/opinion or bias? everything is subjective.

what the guy is trying to say is 'when i was younger i liked a lot of records but i don't like modern records much'

"Gone in the last 10 years are great guitar solos, yet on damn near every classic rock song being played out for eternity, there are solos for the ages. Gone for the past 10 years are top musical performances like the drumming of Stewart Copeland and John Bonham. Gone is the concept of the front man, yet the music of David Lee Roth or Freddie Mercury is played thousands of times per day on FM and satellite radio around the world."

- does this guy listen to anything that isn't on mainstream radio or MTV? the guy judges music as a whole by the amount of guitar solos that are in it.

what a pish article, and I reccomend that the guy who posted this article should drink a pint of salt-water as punishment

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This whole argument fails for two main reasons:

1) He doesn't state The Holy Bible by the Manic Street Preachers in his perfect album list (he says 1967-1994, so this should be included)

2) He's American, and therefore wouldn't know great music if it hit him in the face.

The second point is possibly an over-reaction.

The fool cites Led Zep I-IV and Houses Of The Holy as being perfect. Utter shite! Led Zep II is near pefect, but the others are nowhere near perfect, and Physical Graffiti is far superior to them!

I'd say a lot of the albums this guy is naming are just consistent albums, rather than perfect albums. As for criticising the lack of frontmen, he's obviously never heard of Mike Patton.

However, saying all that, I can't think of any bands which formed in the last 10 years which are in my top ten bands. In fact, looking at my CD list, the guy may have a point. I can't see one album I own from 1995 onwards that I would class as perfect. Faith No More's Album Of The Year and King For A Day are great, but they both have tracks I would skip. I used to think Muse's Absolution was astounding, but last time I heard it I was considerably less overwhelmed, and it definitely has a couple of duffers. Strays by Jane's Addiciton and Contraband by Velvet Revolver are both fucking great, but also have a couple of duff tracks each. Tomahawk's Mit Gas is the closest, as it has 9 amazing tracks, and the last two tracks almost aren't songs at all.

I would say the problem is that with CDs there is more pressure to put more songs out on a CD, and therefore you are bound to get a bit of shite creeping in. The Fragile by NIN has some absolutely stunning songs, and if put into one disc could easily be a perfect album. But there's too much shite stuff.

So in conclusion, it's Phillips and Sony's fault for inventing the CD. Let's ban peole from making albums that wouldn't fit on one piece of vinyl.

I jest of course.

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Surely the article is centered around mainstream music and the word 'perfect' being (however debatable) in reference to albums that really made a big difference to music. I.e - bands that are known by a very very very large amount of people, not some unheard of post-hardcore-new-wave-emocore-with-a-dj shit your listening to. Good examples of music that in the writers context touched no one:

1994. Diary - Sunny Day Real Estate

1996. Do You Know Who You Are? - Texas Is The Reason

1998.The Shape Of Punk To Come - Refused

1998. In Casino Out - At The Drive-In

:up:

To be honest' date=' the most 'perfect' album I can think of in the past 10 years is probably something like Korn's debut, obviously not my choice, it being possibly the biggest album at the start of such a drastic period. Again obviously I haven't listened to it in about 4 years, but there are things that should be appreciated but not necessarily liked, including the consistent, angsty metal [i']classics from that cd.

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Its a fucking rubbish post in the first place. How can someone else tell you that no album in the last 10-12 years has been perfect? Have people forgot you can make your own mind up and decide for yourself?

Stop listening to this bull shit, if you think an album is perfect then it is, regardless if some twat tells you other wise cause it wasnt made in the last 12 years.

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"Gone in the last 10 years are great guitar solos' date=' yet on damn near every classic rock song being played out for eternity, there are solos for the ages. Gone for the past 10 years are top musical performances like the drumming of Stewart Copeland and John Bonham. Gone is the concept of the front man, yet the music of David Lee Roth or Freddie Mercury is played thousands of times per day on FM and satellite radio around the world."

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That's a good quote

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