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Dr Dre was probably upset about the widespread racism and corruption that plagued the LA police department during the late 80's. Can't really say I've seen a similar situation in Aberdeen...

It's a genuine question though. I'm not being arsey or anything I'm just interested in why that stance has been taken.

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Dr Dre was probably upset about the widespread racism and corruption that plagued the LA police department during the late 80's. Can't really say I've seen a similar situation in Aberdeen...

It's a genuine question though. I'm not being arsey or anything I'm just interested in why that stance has been taken.

Well I can't speak for E.C.

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What's your beef with the police?

 

Thanks for asking. This is a question I have been asked several times since printing both these shirts and those original 'ACAB - All Cows Are Beautiful' patches.

I do not know a single person who has had a positive experience with the police. Friends of mine have had bikes/cars/possessions stolen, been broken into, been jumped/mugged and never had any kind of 'justice' as a result.

Grampian Police once stopped their van to tell my friend who was WALKING his bike up Belmont St that he needed lights on his bike. When I asked if they really had nothing better to do, all four officers jumped out of the van, surrounded me, questioned me, said "i'm not your mate", and then shoved me against a wall. very 'Serve & Protect' eh?

There are also SO many instances of Police (in UK, US & Canada) being corrupt, molesting women they 'apprehend' and abusing power in order to make arrests/assault innocent people.

 

Here are some links that might give you a little more insight:

http://news.yahoo.com/miami-teen-graffiti-artist-dies-being-shot-police-171309825.html

http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/simon-harwood-and-police-acountability_2439.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ASbU7Qxug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPLspI8cYsM#t=68

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2353347/Police-shoot-kill-Rottweiler-street-dog-runs-owner-arrested-obstruction-justice.html

http://jezebel.com/5833124/nyc-cop-charged-with-rape-at-gunpoint

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/09/06/39544.htm

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Thanks for asking. This is a question I have been asked several times since printing both these shirts and those original 'ACAB - All Cows Are Beautiful' patches.

I do not know a single person who has had a positive experience with the police. Friends of mine have had bikes/cars/possessions stolen, been broken into, been jumped/mugged and never had any kind of 'justice' as a result.

Grampian Police once stopped their van to tell my friend who was WALKING his bike up Belmont St that he needed lights on his bike. When I asked if they really had nothing better to do, all four officers jumped out of the van, surrounded me, questioned me, said "i'm not your mate", and then shoved me against a wall. very 'Serve & Protect' eh?

There are also SO many instances of Police (in UK, US & Canada) being corrupt, molesting women they 'apprehend' and abusing power in order to make arrests/assault innocent people.

 

Here are some links that might give you a little more insight:

http://news.yahoo.com/miami-teen-graffiti-artist-dies-being-shot-police-171309825.html

http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/simon-harwood-and-police-acountability_2439.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ASbU7Qxug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPLspI8cYsM#t=68

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2353347/Police-shoot-kill-Rottweiler-street-dog-runs-owner-arrested-obstruction-justice.html

http://jezebel.com/5833124/nyc-cop-charged-with-rape-at-gunpoint

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/09/06/39544.htm

 

Serve and Protect is an American or Canadian police motto - the Scottish one is Semper Vigilo (always vigilant for all you non latin speakers). 

 

Which is pretty accurate, noticing missing lights on a bike is a good spot. Not that it makes the intolerable persecution that you faced any more justified...................

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Thanks for asking. This is a question I have been asked several times since printing both these shirts and those original 'ACAB - All Cows Are Beautiful' patches.

I do not know a single person who has had a positive experience with the police. Friends of mine have had bikes/cars/possessions stolen, been broken into, been jumped/mugged and never had any kind of 'justice' as a result.

Grampian Police once stopped their van to tell my friend who was WALKING his bike up Belmont St that he needed lights on his bike. When I asked if they really had nothing better to do, all four officers jumped out of the van, surrounded me, questioned me, said "i'm not your mate", and then shoved me against a wall. very 'Serve & Protect' eh?

There are also SO many instances of Police (in UK, US & Canada) being corrupt, molesting women they 'apprehend' and abusing power in order to make arrests/assault innocent people.

 

Here are some links that might give you a little more insight:

http://news.yahoo.com/miami-teen-graffiti-artist-dies-being-shot-police-171309825.html

http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/simon-harwood-and-police-acountability_2439.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ASbU7Qxug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPLspI8cYsM#t=68

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2353347/Police-shoot-kill-Rottweiler-street-dog-runs-owner-arrested-obstruction-justice.html

http://jezebel.com/5833124/nyc-cop-charged-with-rape-at-gunpoint

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/09/06/39544.htm

 

I guess I was just being nosy to whether or not your views were influenced by some sort of personal experience.

 

I don't really understand what you mean by 'never had any kind of 'justice' as a result.' Do you mean convictions or arrests? From the police officers I know personally, I've learned that burglary cases are very difficult to pursue unless the culprit is caught in the act. As a victim of theft myself in the past I know how frustrating the whole situation is.

 

Seems to be a different story across the pond though. Violent crime is bigger over there and then there is all the guns to worry about. Still doesn't make the systematic abuse of power, widespread corruption and racism acceptable any easier to digest though. Crazy bastards.

 

I hope you reported the police officer who pushed you up against a wall? Would probably make more of a difference than making some t-shirts about it.

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Which is pretty accurate, noticing missing lights on a bike is a good spot. Not that it makes the intolerable persecution that you faced any more justified...................

 

Missing lights on a bike that wasn't being used at the time. Pointless.

 

 

I don't really understand what you mean by 'never had any kind of 'justice' as a result.' Do you mean convictions or arrests? From the police officers I know personally, I've learned that burglary cases are very difficult to pursue unless the culprit is caught in the act. As a victim of theft myself in the past I know how frustrating the whole situation is.

 

I wrote justice like that because it's a pretty strong word in this sense. I/my friends just have spent too much time giving statements etc for there to be literally no follow up.

 

I hope you reported the police officer who pushed you up against a wall? Would probably make more of a difference than making some t-shirts about it.

 

For someone who said they were just asking and not being "arsey" this is a pretty arsey response. Yes, I reported him and literally nothing was done about it. I also made t-shirts about it, so I guess you could say that's a double victory for me!!!!!!

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So you got arsey and they pulled you up on it, such is life. 

 

I know a few coppers, they are just normal people like everyone else, doing a job, i cant say any of them are going to go out their way to molest women as they pass through security, or arrest innocent people who have done nothing wrong, but like any industry, you always have bad eggs, the old bill are no different. 

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Missing lights on a bike that wasn't being used at the time. Pointless.

 

Missing lights on a bike which wasn't being used at that time BUT was being pushed at night and could well have been used two mins later - not really that pointless.

 

Asking a policeman (or anyone) that's talking to someone else if they really haven't got anything better to do:

1. Arsey, matter how you phrase it

2. Completely and utterly fuck all to do with you

3. Pointless

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Missing lights on a bike which wasn't being used at that time BUT was being pushed at night and could well have been used two mins later - not really that pointless.

 

Asking a policeman (or anyone) that's talking to someone else if they really haven't got anything better to do:

1. Arsey, matter how you phrase it

2. Completely and utterly fuck all to do with you

3. Pointless

 

At what point did I say this happened at night time?

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This is getting stupid now.

 

I dislike the police. You all clearly love them. Difference of opinion.

 

If you don't like the shirt, don't buy it.

 

 

Thanks.

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This is getting stupid now.

 

I dislike the police. You all clearly love them. Difference of opinion.

 

If you don't like the shirt, don't buy it.

 

 

Thanks.

 

So it was at night then?

 

I don't like or dislike the Police as an institution, individually some of them are no doubt petty bullies that like to abuse their power - a tiny minority of them have raped and killed and pillaged and that's terrible. But I reckon most of them are just people doing a difficult job that I wouldn't like to do.

 

Quite glad we've got them - Aberdeen probably wouldn't be as nice a place to live without a bit of law and order. 

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So it was at night then?

 

About 2pm. I assumed when I implied it wasn't at night time, I wouldn't then have to timestamp it, but there you go.

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About 2pm. I assumed when I implied it wasn't at night time, I wouldn't then have to timestamp it, but there you go

 

Apologies - would have been quicker and easier to just say it wasn't at night it was at 2pm - than to climb up on that high horse and ask "at what point did I say this happened at night time?" though. And saved a few posts to boot. 

 

Maybe that's why the pigs jumped you - wasting time and that............

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Neg Rep for an apology? That's a bit like getting pushed up against a wall for "only asking a question." 

 

This thread seems to have become a bit of a police state............. 

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I like that...you come in here and try and justify something that has nothing to do with you, get pulled up on speaking shite...and then tell him to get off the high horse.

Hopefully the cops crack you over the head with a baton tonight and then fist fuck you. Just cos of poetic justice and all that.

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I like that...you come in here and try and justify something that has nothing to do with you, get pulled up on speaking shite...and then tell him to get off the high horse.

Hopefully the cops crack you over the head with a baton tonight and then fist fuck you. Just cos of poetic justice and all that.

 

Swaggering in all tough guy and being a confrontational cunt for no reason, in the same way E.C. alleged the Police acted is totally making my point for me. Cheers fella!!

 

Hopefully nothing bad happens to you, and if you're out you have a great time tonight - being all ferocious and wishing people harm on the internet is sad and childish.

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I like that...you come in here and try and justify something that has nothing to do with you, get pulled up on speaking shite...and then tell him to get off the high horse.

Hopefully the cops crack you over the head with a baton tonight and then fist fuck you. Just cos of poetic justice and all that.

 

Ironic really. 

 

edit: beaten too it. 

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How was I being a tough guy? I don't want to hurt you. But if the police did, this would all become very weird.

However, you were the one being a dick for no reason. So I thought I'd do it back.

:kiss:

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How was I being a tough guy? I don't want to hurt you. But if the police did, this would all become very weird.

However, you were the one being a dick for no reason. So I thought I'd do it back.

:kiss:

 

I wouldn't say no reason. His reaction (and yours) to a bit of backchat was exactly the same as he accused the cops of. Little bit hypocritical in my opinion.

 

But I did fuck up on the time it happened and my apology was a bit mean so yeah I guess fair's fair.

 

I promise that if the Popo smack me around and fistbum me this weekend I will buy a t-shirt. :kiss:

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Why aren't you guys out in Primark questioning "Surf Festival '86" t-shirts or whatever? Ewan doesn't like cops and makes t-shirts. Buy them or leave him to it.

It doesn't have to be about Aberdeen; Stephen Lawrence? Ian Tomlinson? Amarildo? Hillsbrough? There are more reasons not to trust law enforcement here and abroad than there are to trust them. Those are four major ones without even thinking about it for more than 5 seconds.

Not trying to add to the debate at all, just seems like bored antagonism. Black Lake has an audience to sell these things to like-minded people.

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