R.Borlax Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 personally i dont mind going outside to have a cigg, so this wont bother me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisible Lead Soup Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 The ban in a mere knee-jerk reaction. It's "fashionable" at the moment to become hysterical about one's health. Britain seems to be becoming a nation of hypochondriacs. It's all very irrational indeed. You only need to look at newspapers, television and advertisments to see that it's mere media-driven hysteria. Hell, Chris Morris should have created a Brass Eye Special on the subject.Regardless of medical evidence, the problem can simply be solved by a compromise. The attitudes firmly wedged into everyone's craniums right now is one of competition. It isn't a fucking competition, folks. Decision-making should never be about competition.The aforementioned compromise can purely consist of extraction fans, smoking/non-smoking areas, and some consideration from both parties (Being polite never hurt anyone). It's not rocket science, folks. And it'll make everyone happy. I cannot for the live of me see why anyone can disagree with this compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 One law I'd mlike to see imposed straight away is to ban children from being taken into smoking sections of restaurants. The people who do that make me sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 actually its not that bad, i think its sensible to act now and bring in a kind of half ban instead of a full ban which personally i'm totally against.apparently bar takings are down 16% in dublin since the total ban was implemented over there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen B Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Jakey Spike Boy, Swingin Ryan and Keilan 303 i hope you die. Soon. Smoking related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HummerOfIntenseEvil Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Actually, I was in Simpsons last night, and although there were people smoking, it didn't really annoy me much at all.That goes to show what a difference good ventilation will do. If all bars would sort out their ventilation, I would have no problem with people smoking near me at a bar.As long as they don't blow it in my direction that is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EchelonDivision Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Hey, us smokers pay more taxes than you non-smokers. The taxes certainly dont go into healthcare, so I reckon we have the right to smoke wherever we like. If the Government are aiming towards an outright ban, you can expect taxes to fucking SURGE! Ventilated areas? How would that work? On an average night out I don't think I've ever sat at a table without any non-smokers at it. What we need is just overall better ventilation, to stop smoke lingering and minimise passive smoke. This should be the responsibility of pubs and clubs. The ventilation should also be properly maintained regularly.Fuck going outside for a fag in the pissing hail, or snow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreskin Ninja Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 The taxes certainly dont go into healthcareUhhh. It has been estimated that' date=' in England, 364,000 patients are admitted to NHS hospitals each year due to diseases caused by smoking.[/i'] That's around 1000 a day that most likely wouldn't be there if they didn't smoke.I'm pretty sure that the taxes payed through cigarettes do go into healthcare, as well as other things of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Of The Fall Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 As far as i am concerned people who smoke in bars or pubs are inconsiderate cunts. End of story.Oh dear Neil...round two! I didnt particularly want to argue with you again but....Why do you go to bars and pubs then Neil? The fact is smokers will be there. Dont go in if you dont like it. is your calling smokers inconsiderate cunts" not inconsiderate? "Pwnd LMAOROFFLE... Im not what you would call a "proper" smoker (I smoke when im drinking and not any other time) as for it being a horrible habit' date=' true it is. Pointless? No it really calms you down and it the best thing ever when you have had a long day. The point is you have no right to tell us that we cant smoke, its like ramming your beliefs into us...anywayJakey Spike Boy, Swingin Ryan and Keilan 303 i hope you die. Soon. Smoking related.im sure me and dayeth could have jakey out to westhill one night for a few beers....and to maul your face for that comment!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen B Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Oh dear Neil...round two! I didnt particularly want to argue with you again but....Why do you go to bars and pubs then Neil? The fact is smokers will be there. Dont go in if you dont like it. is your calling smokers inconsiderate cunts" not inconsiderate? "Pwnd LMAOROFFLE... Im not what you would call a "proper" smoker (I smoke when im drinking and not any other time) as for it being a horrible habit' date=' true it is. Pointless? No it really calms you down and it the best thing ever when you have had a long day. The point is you have no right to tell us that we cant smoke, its like ramming your beliefs into us...anywayim sure me and dayeth could have jakey out to westhill one night for a few beers....and to maul your face for that comment!!![/quote']Right, no my calling smokers "inconsiderate cunts" is not inconsiderate although I'm not talking all smokers cos some are considerate enough to go outside to smoke or at least not blow it in your fucking face. So why do I go out to bars and pubs? Stupid question, I think it is fair to assume that i go out to drink alcohol in a licensed building and enjoy myself with my mates. And I'm not telling anyone they can't smoke but the attitude of the people upon whom I wished death really pisses me off. They think that people who don't smoke shouldn't to go to pubs and bars if they are worried about damaging their health from passive smoking. That's ridiculous, they're the ones with the terrible habits and if anyone should miss out it should be them. And I'm not just complaining about the smell or anything like that, I am genuinely concerned for my own health cos I have diabetes making me at greater risk of having other aspects of my health deteriorate and my lungs are one of the aspects of my health most at risk. When I got the illness i was told by doctors and nurses that i should still be able to do whatever I want but apparently not because many people, who unlike me choose to make their own health deteriorate think that it's okay for them to make mine deteriorate too and if i don't want that to happen I should just stay in and not have a life. Rather selfish isn't Ross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 i want something done about it to stop all these circular arguments. though we do seem to be getting somewhere now. Basically, if the ventilation is good enough then smoking really shouldn't bother anyone. I get pissed off if someone is smoking in my face, or even if the smoke from my cigarette is going into my face.I think all us smokers should realise we don't have a leg to stand on. All our argument consists of is "well i like it and so everyone else should put up with it cos that's the way things are now" it's just our addiction, and the fact that a fag and a pint is the nicest thing ever!i think something has to be done. lots of smoke just isn't pleasant. but i reckon places will ban smoking before they get good ventillation cos it's cheaper. Unitl they see how the profit goes down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen B Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 i want something done about it to stop all these circular arguments. though we do seem to be getting somewhere now. Basically' date=' if the ventilation is good enough then smoking really shouldn't bother anyone. I get pissed off if someone is smoking in my face, or even if the smoke from my cigarette is going into my face.I think all us smokers should realise we don't have a leg to stand on. All our argument consists of is "well i like it and so everyone else should put up with it cos that's the way things are now" it's just our addiction, and the fact that a fag and a pint is the nicest thing ever!i think something has to be done. lots of smoke just isn't pleasant. but i reckon places will ban smoking before they get good ventillation cos it's cheaper. Unitl they see how the profit goes down...[/quote']A smoker speaks some sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 yeah, but i'd still prefer to be allowed to smoke when i go out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim.. Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 What annoys me is that I'm a cigar smoker. I don't smoke at home and only really enjoy a cigar with a drink, which is why I enjoy going to the pub. It takes a lot longer to smoke than a cigarette and it should be enjoyed rather than quickly puffed on whilst standing in a pub doorway. I have the feeling that no matter what the arguement, the law will be passed as we all know that smoking is bad for us. And is it me or does it seem that it is really only the non-smokers who tend to stand up and be counted when an anti-smoking bill is passed? Smokers just tend to sit back and hope everything blows over. I'm guilty of that too. Those afternoon in the bar will never be the same again. How many times have I sat in the Moorings bar when there have only been about 3 of us in all afternoon (all of us smokers) and the smoke really isn't an issue. Once Britains pubs are 100% non smoking they will probably allow certain pubs to purchase a 'smoking licence' at great expense. You read it here first.Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaTsunami Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 it stops short of a full smoking ban...i'm all for banning smoking AT the bar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neil ex Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Pubs sell drink' date=' not fags. People go to pubs to get pished, not to smoke, surely?[/quote']i like going to a pub to relax with my friends and have a drink. i think alot of people that go out to a pub to get 'pished' cause a lot of harm to other people.some pubs do sell fags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neil ex Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 i wouldn't enjoy going to a pub if i had to go outside for a fag. it would be like going for a break at work, except you're taking a break from socialising with your friends, which is why i go to pubs. you wouldn't be able to fully enjoy your fag outside, it would be like smoking a fag when you're needing a piss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingin' Ryan Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Jakey Spike Boy' date=' Swingin Ryan and Keilan 303 i hope you die. Soon. Smoking related.[/quote']How earth can you read Kerouac and still wish us to die for being pro-smoking?And I think Keilan's post was designed to be anti-smoking not pro-smoking.You don't get irony and you don't smoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Jakey Spike Boy' date=' Swingin Ryan and Keilan 303 i hope you die. Soon. Smoking related.[/quote']Tough shit son, ain't gonna happen. If you'd read the whole thread, you would see that I have no problem with a compromise solution. You should also become aware of the fact that the whole fucking world does not revolve around you. I freely admit that if I'm out on the piss at Moshulu or wherever, I light up without a second thought. If I'm at a non-smoker's house, and they ask me to go out for a smoke, I have no problem with that. It's your snotty attitude that drives me fucking spare. To wish death on people you don't even know will win you no favours and gives non-smokers a bad name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 im sure me and dayeth could have jakey out to westhill one night for a few beers....and to maul your face for that comment!!!I'm up for a few jars with you guys, no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Of The Fall Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 a licensed building me and ross nearly died when we read that! cheers And I'm not telling anyone they can't smoke but the attitude of the people upon whom I wished death really pisses me off. please don't stopRather selfish isn't Ross?... ... ... ...no ("pwnd") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreskin Ninja Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 To wish death on people you don't even know will win you no favours and gives non-smokers a bad name.What if Jimmy Jazz is black? Does that give blacks a bad name too?What he said reflects badly on him, not on non-smokers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 What he said reflects badly on him' date=' not on non-smokers.[/quote']True, but he was speaking as a non-smoker and has been the most vocal non-smoker on this thread. Ok then, what's your take on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreskin Ninja Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Well, for a start I'm opposed to Britain's drinking culture, I stopped drinking when I was about 14 as I realised I was doing it for the same reason the rest of the kids were: peer pressure. I have never met anyone who I preferred to be around more so when they've been drinking then when they havn't. It's mainly for this reason I steer clear of pubs, clubs and bars, with the exception of places that host gigs, making my knowledge of these places pretty low. I'm a non-smoker.When I am in such places, I do dislike the smoke, and would enjoy myself much more if I didn't come away from the place with painful eyes and my clothes and hair smelling like shit. I'm for a ban if that's the only way that places are prepared to tackle the situation, but I'd be much happier if pubs, bars and clubs were just legally required to have a certain amount of ventilation, depending on the size of the building. I was at The Moorings last week and with the exception of one old lady who sparked up and went at it right next to me (I was sitting at the bar), I was unscarred by the smoke around me, due to their impressive ventilation system. If this sort of thing was standard in all places of this nature, I'd think of it as problem solved.I hate walking around town at night enough as it is, with the excess of drunken idiots walking the streets, I certainly don't need any more of them (aswell as the non-drunks/idiots) being put out onto the already packed streets to have a fag. It'd most likely increase the number of fights too.My vote is for mandatory high quality ventilation systems, as well as no smoking allowed at the actual bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 You know, I pretty much have to agree with almost all of that, but being a smoker I am strongly opposed to any ban as I don't think it would work. It seems to be the case that people are being parented "for their own good" and that scares the shit out of me, quite honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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